Timed Games in all Pubs

[Sarien]

Ok. I'm just going to say. Pull your collective heads out of your behinds.

"A lot of other stuff needs to be worked on first." This statement is also known as "completely wrong."

All the other problems that you can say affect basing (and I agree in the case of levs) don't have to be fixed before you put in timed games. You put in timed games, get more people basing, it illustrates these other problems with even more distinct clairity, and so then they get looked at.

This isn't a damn monopoly board, where it's a one way street. You don't have to pass over ship settings to get to timed games. The problems can be addressed in any order. As long as they're addressed, then it just ends up being good for everybody.

In Other Words, let's see some more of these people voting "no" posting, so they can be torn apart by the lions of justice and common sense.

If you add timed-games in all pubs, then you'll ruin the point of having the first two. 2 timed pubs=leet, other pubs=literally practice arenas and noob-blasting arenas. all timed pubs=unleet noob killing basing.

How's it feel to be an embarrassment to yourself?

[Izor]

new features never hurt anyone. I still voted no because I think there are more important things to do in those arenas than add a timed game. If there will be other changes in the near future that make this useful then I agree with it, but I believe that if some noobs go to get the flag cause thats the 'objective' of the arena and then they are getting blasted by a levterr who doesnt give half a shit about the flag then it sends a mixed message to that player and turns them off to the game. At least in the top pub, everyone is playing the same game. Thats why it makes sense there

[Troll King]

Ok. I'm just going to say. Pull your collective heads out of your behinds.

"A lot of other stuff needs to be worked on first." This statement is also known as "completely wrong."

All the other problems that you can say affect basing (and I agree in the case of levs) don't have to be fixed before you put in timed games. You put in timed games, get more people basing, it illustrates these other problems with even more distinct clairity, and so then they get looked at.

This isn't a damn monopoly board, where it's a one way street. You don't have to pass over ship settings to get to timed games. The problems can be addressed in any order. As long as they're addressed, then it just ends up being good for everybody.

In Other Words, let's see some more of these people voting "no" posting, so they can be torn apart by the lions of justice and common sense.

The one change that I think should be made before this gets implemented is to increase the size of the weasels. We've seen how the micro-weasels and timed games have worked together, and the response has been largely negative. As for some of the other problems the regular pubs face, I think timed games would help to address some of them.

[Sarien]

I can see that with the evidence in hand, yeah, that change should be made. I'm all for bigger weasel size. But it doesn't have to proceed in that manner. It makes a perfectly servicable step two.

What I'm saying is:

Finally after years of clamoring for the staff to do some work in the pubs as a whole, they say "Hrm.. well would you be interested in starting with this change?" People should be embracing it with both arms.

I see people posting that they said no, because it sends mixed messages, or because there are more important things. For god sake don't listen to them, please.

Mixed messages are a way better start than no message at all. Where the new person jumps into the game, gets tossed into a pub, and sees "hey, people are just flying around all crazy with no purpose, that must be what this zone is about."

The "more important things" message is meaningless. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Start somewhere, anywhere. This is as good a place as any.

[Kolar]

Staff is slow to make ANY change in this zone, now even more with DoCk> and half, if not all the people who actually know how to make the changes gone. While I agree it doesn't have to happen in that order it does make sense to work on these problems because pure publics suck right now, adding the LT problems into the mix will only result in more quick fixes in the short term.. thus people stop caring and the game is diminished by gimicky objects and conflicting objectives. With the speed at which change will happen here I think it's a bad idea to spread the current settings with the hope of it being fixed in the future but it is always nice to see something new.

Change use to be top down meaning a small change to one ship, one tile even was considered before being implemented. While that has changed a bit in the past 2-3 years I still think it is the best approach to change in this zone.

[Richard Creager]

sage

[Hakaku]

In Other Words, let's see some more of these people voting "no" posting, so they can be torn apart by the lions of justice and common sense.
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How's it feel to be an embarrassment to yourself?

Wow, could you have ever posted something more stupid? If I wrote my oppinion, it's because I WANT to express it. Am I embarassed? No. And I stand by that.

[Ignominy]

new features never hurt anyone. I still voted no because I think there are more important things to do in those arenas than add a timed game. If there will be other changes in the near future that make this useful then I agree with it, but I believe that if some noobs go to get the flag cause thats the 'objective' of the arena and then they are getting blasted by a levterr who doesnt give half a shit about the flag then it sends a mixed message to that player and turns them off to the game. At least in the top pub, everyone is playing the same game. Thats why it makes sense there

^yes. Throwing a timer in an areana doesn't mean everyone will instantly start going for the flag. Lots of people play upper pubs to dick around in spawn. An arena with little to no people playing a timed game while it's going will make the game look silly. If other changes are made that make people less inclined to do nothing but run around in spawn, then I will vote for a timer to be added.

[Ignominy]

Start somewhere, anywhere. This is as good a place as any.

That's why they always start furnishing houses before they build them.

[negate]

It can't hurt I mean if we try it and nobody likes it, then it can be changed back no harm done.

[Slotheroo]

Having all pubs timed seems like a bad idea to me. Here's why:

In the current setup you have timed pubs where the majority of the players are basing and then you have the rest of the pubs, where the basing action is usually minimal. Sometimes I like the timed arenas, which can be good fun as they require teamwork. Most of the time, I'm in a non-timed pub so I can go about my business spawning people and chasing whatever I find in my wb. Maybe that sounds lame, but there are a lot of lamers like me. We like to gather in pub in our wbs and play various games of grabass and shoot levis or whatever we can find. Now if all pubs became timed, we lame wbs wouldn't disappear. We'd just be in every arena, because they'd all be the same to us. As it is now, the wbs keep their games of grabass confined to the non-timed arenas. There's less for wbs to shoot at in the timed arenas and some of us actually respect the fact that people are trying to base in there, so we steer clear with our grabassery. But if all pubs were timed, it wouldn't make much of a difference to someone playing wb grabass whether there were levs in the arena or not. Before timed games we had all sorts of basing and grabass going on in the same arena, and the complaint was that not enough people in any given arena were basing. With timed games, you have established pure basing arenas, and then you have traditional pubs where most of the grabass occurs. If all pubs became timed, you'd have the same old mix of grabass and basing in every arena, which, to my knowledge, is what brought about the need for timed arenas in the first place.

[Troll King]

It's not the fact that those pubs are timed that sets them apart, but the fact that there are no levis allowed in them. The amount of "grabass" wasn't ever a real issue. In fact, the largest problem I had about the "special" pubs was that it drew basing away from the regular pubs so that people started thinking that basing was only supposed to happen in those pubs, and the rest were left for, well, ass-grabbing. That became the "default" play style of regular pubs, which hurts the growth of basing. I think that timed pubs will actually encourage people to base more and help to reintroduce basing as the default play style it was always supposed to be. Right now, there is little to draw players, especially new players, to the base in regular pubs. A timed pub would be a good step towards fixing that problem.

If you asked people why they don't base in regular pubs, the abundance of warbirds shooting each other outside the base would be low on their list of reasons.

[Sarien]

That's why they always start furnishing houses before they build them.

Analogies suck, but I'll play.


It's more like should we remodel the kitchen first, or the living room. It doesn't really matter. This is what people in control are offering to start revamping. So we take it, and we smile, and we say thank you sir. Great job. Then later we can say "oh the timed pubs are working out great, look how much more interest in basing and pub arenas we're seeing. Oh by the way, we're also seeing that xxxxx is hampering it some, can we get you guys to look at that next?" See?

I admit that I don't care for Stabwound most times, he kind of has a tendency to easily get on my nerves. But his post several years ago was where I first saw the idea of a bot doing timed games in public arenas, and I thought it was brilliant then, and I think so now.

1: Timed Publics can't hurt people that don't want to base.
2: Timed Publics could help show new players to the zone what basing is.

It's a win/win for everyone.

So the question is, Why not just do it for a couple weeks or a month, and just watch for results? Poke it with a stick and see if it moves, as it were.

[Richard Creager]

sage

[dads revenge]

poll should be "no - most pubbers cant fathom the concept of time"