The Zombies Faq

[Kyace]

Kyace,

Although I don't agree with you posting private staff chat in public and taking my words out of context to support your own arguments, I will answer your claims and possibly any doubts that Trenchers may have:

Answer my first question: What percentage of zombie advert to total adverts are you aiming for? If you don't plan to use this measurement, please select which measurement you do plan to use to answer question 2:

Question 2:

OMFG, is this thing like forever?

No, it is not forever. It is until we get more diverse events from hosts and up the number of hosts. I am sure you guys would like to play OTHER games and try new experiences. Imagine if this zombie marathon continued for 3 years straight. You would become a zombie also. We, for the better of the zone, feel it's best to change things up once in a while. This ban on zombies during weekdays will not be forever, but it will give you guys some time to breath and appreciate zombies when it does comeback in the nearby future.
After the ban is lifted, we will most likely place restrictions on how many zombies may be hosted in a 24 hour period such as 5 a day maximum. It was reaching near 15 zombie games a day. And 5 a day does not mean from 3pm till 5pm, straight zombies.

From your last post, the average of zombie games a day is closer to 2 a day rather than 5 a day.

First of all,

No one can claim the results of <ER>'s hosting less because this so called "Zombies Weekday Ban" has only been in effect for three (3) days. It started on the 21st and you posted your comment up on the 23rd (at least according to my calendar). I think we should at least wait for a week before questioning the decision. I don't really think they are hosting less at all in my opinion. There are different hosts and most of the people on staff are on vacation or are busy with other things. Different months have different flucuations on how many events are hosted as all the event referees and other staff members are voluntarily working.

I didn't say in my post that zombies had been illegal since 8-18, but rather that was when the zombie ban was announced on staff forum, after the thread for debate had been up for 27 hours on that forum.

My point was that the zombie ban was seemingly increasing the number of zombies. I agree, a few more weeks of data samples would make the numbers more accurate. However, I'm not sure the numbers in the pass mandate that the ban needed to go into place into the first place.

Now, for the stats:

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July 24th - August 24th

deathmatch hosted 46 times
hunt hosted 30 times
javs2 hosted 29 times
pallies hosted 28 times
hockey hosted 14 times


Zombies maps

twvillage 22 times
twcity 17 times
twtown 10 times
highschool 6 times
zombies3 4 times
zombies 4 times
zombies2 2 times

Deathmatch is a multi-purpose arena (meaning alot of different events could have been hosted there such as SUPER SHARKS, HUNT, DEATHMATCH, KILLER, CONQUER, ETC.. ), we should not really count that arena as far as just strictly a wb deathmatch to 10 game.

Zombies was hosted a total of 65 times. This means within a 30 day period, it was hosted avg 2 times a day everyday. But obviously this is not the case as it would have probably not been hosted one day and hosted maybe 7 times in one day.

65 adverts for arenas that normally host zombie out of what? If you only show us the advert counts for 5 other arenas, yes 65 looks huge. However, most adverts go to arenas that only get hosted much less. So that may be 65 out of 1000 (an edutcated guess since I have to leave for work and can't count up the adverts to check), or 6.5%.

(0 + 7)/2 = 7/2 = 3.5
3.5 != 2
Zombies 3.5 times a day is not equal to zombies 2 times a day. For your numbers to make sense, zombies would have not to be hosted 4 daysfor each day of 7 zombies to balance back to 2 a day. Since 4 days in a row is roughly the span of Monday to Thursday, should we expect atleast 7 zombies friday?

I personally have no problem with the fact zombies is hosted. I just feel that we should let it rest for a little bit as recently it has been the most hosted event. Some people may be getting tired of it as the game is losing it's luster.

Define some people. Some people only come to TW to play zombies. Some people eat jellybeans for breakfast. Some people think Elvis is alive in their bathroom.

But, let's check out prior months:

June 24th - July 24th

Deathmatch 43 Hosts
Pallies 32 Hosts
Octabase 31 Hosts
Hunt 29 Hosts
Javs2 24 Hosts
Warpwars 24 Hosts
Balanceout 22 Hosts
Hockey hosted 18 times

Zombie Maps

Twcity 34 Hosts
Twtown 15 hosts
Twvillage 11 hosts
Zombies3 9 hosts
Zombies 8 hosts
Highschool 7 hosts
Pirates 6 hosts

That is: 82 hosts

Let's go back another month:

May 24th - June 24th

Hockey 52 hosts
Deathmatch 52 hosts
javs2 47 hosts
hunt 46 hosts
pallies 32 hosts
balanceout 29 hosts
freezetag 23 hosts


Zombies 14 hosts
Twcity 8 hosts

In this particular month, you can see other events were over hosted.


April 24th - May 24th

Hockey 63 hosts
Balanceout 28 hosts
Hunt 24 hosts
Javs2 22 hosts
Deathmatch 21 hosts

Zombie Maps:

twcity 5 hosts
pirates 4 hosts
zombies3 2 hosts

Pretty small numbers, Hockey being WAY over hosted.

Next month:

March 24th - April 24th

Deathmatch 50 hosts
Hockey 50 hosts
Hunt 31 hosts
Javs2 24 hosts
Pallies 18 hosts

Zombie Maps

Zombies 7 hosts
Twcity 5 hosts

As you can see, hockey is still over hosted like crazy.

Again, let's go back

Feb 24 - March 24

hockey 77 hosts
deathmatch 38 hosts
hunt 28 hosts

zombie maps

twcity 11 hosts
island 7 hosts




So what have we learned from this past history lesson?

Hockey was WAY over hosted. The result?

Before we used to get an insane ammount of requests all day asking to host Hockey. That number has shrunk TREMENDOUSLY. Now there are fewer people in TW as baseelim is always dead and just fewer people are playing.
Perhaps (and not to say this was the only reason) people got sick of it?

Yes, it is well known that hockey players kill and eat baseelim players of a nighttime. Those red herrings are salty.

SOLUTION TO THIS BULL CRAP:

We need to host more diverse maps and games! The public doesn't just want to play the same old crap staff forcefeeds everyday.

Yes, I did say:

And the truth is, if people can't bring it to yourself to search for a different arena and host a cool new game or just even an old game in a new arena, then maybe we need to find new people. I am sure there are MANY people that play Trench Wars that would LOVE to host games and have their own ideas come to life for their peers.

The only thread in TW forums trying to help ERs host non-zombie games during the thread is mine, because I strongly dislike the idea of getting rid of hosts who displease you rather than trying to help them improve.

Saying that I am not providing them with alternatives is incorrect also. The alternatives have always been there. That is why TWDEV exists. It is not as if Trench Wars only has 10 arenas and 4 games available. There are better arenas than others, but it does not mean that they shouldn't get their shine also. I would just like to see smaller numbers in the same arenas over and over again. This of course has to not include balanceout because that is the only arena that it can be hosted in. But maybe we shouldn't host balanceout every day also. And definetely not javs2 24/7.

Actually, balanceout has been hosted in other arenas, the bot just runs through walls. ?go ww3 works for many of the balanceout tracks.

We are putting a weekday ban on zombies to freshen it up again so people might actually want to come back to the game and play. I do not hear too many people kicking and screaming about the ban. If I am wrong, please let me know but at least give it a chance.

There are none as deaf as those who will not hear.

Thanks,

cRaZi
Head of Event Coordination Team

So now I ask again: What percent of zombies to total are we aiming for?

[RoDNeY]

If you contact me while I am TWDing, I will ignore you promptly. Thanks!

:grin:

do whatchya want with zombs, school starts soon anyways so the kiddies wont be on, i dont care whether its weekend or weekday, ill i care about is that my map is getting hosted (highschool)
regards,

[kthx]

lol I remember those months where you have hockey highlighted, that is when Myself, Hockey, and Barton decided to host nothing but hockey :P

[Izor]

yeah, and only 1/3 is still a staffer

maybe thats why the hockey ratio is ~ 1/3. But anyway more hockey would be all right..TW has an MSHL team and since we dont have a lot of people showing to preseason games, like myself, we could use it to recruit

you know, at least it would serve some sort of purpose, since we like to play but are too lazy to actually go to hz

[crazi]

So now I ask again: What percent of zombies to total are we aiming for?

If you still ask for a percentage, you are missing the entire point.[/u] We are not asking for any percentages of hosts. We are just trying to prevent everyone from becoming sick of the game (namely a very FUN and POPULAR GAME). If you want to host it to death, I will personally make you exempt to host zombies by yourself. Then you can go ahead and host zombies 24/7 by yourself to make sure everyone has their zombie fix everyday for the next 99 years.

The only thread in TW forums trying to help ERs host non-zombie games during the thread is mine, because I strongly dislike the idea of getting rid of hosts who displease you rather than trying to help them improve.

By providing <ER>'s with macro's on how to host the game, you have already preset the hosted games like a robot. Why do we have hosts anyway if all you have to do as a host is just copy and paste a few lines of text from a forum and come up with NOTHING on your own?

If anyone ever needs my help, they can always contact me. I can be found ingame as often as a kid says ez. I thank you for posting up the different games, but as we had concluded on Staff Forum, that was NOT the place to post up that type of information. We already have other means of hosting resources which I will not disclose here.

65 adverts for arenas that normally host zombie out of what? If you only show us the advert counts for 5 other arenas, yes 65 looks huge. However, most adverts go to arenas that only get hosted much less. So that may be 65 out of 1000 (an edutcated guess since I have to leave for work and can't count up the adverts to check), or 6.5%.

Look, it had nothing to do with the actual number of hosts. If you would like a poll to be put up on forums deciding whether or not the ZOMBIES WEEKDAY ban should continue temporarily, then I will talk to a forum admin. If you feel that is "more fair".

My number's are showing that zombies are the #1 hosted event by providing that data. I am not trying to tell everyone the exact number as it is not important. The important thing is to see what arenas are hosted too much and what we can do about it instead of sitting around arguing. There are different ideas that are going to be executed, you just really have to be more patient.

The ban is not going to be lifted, regardless of what you say or what motives you have behind lifting the ban. We (including the upper management) have put it up on behalf of the zone. No action will ever please anyone as I am sure some people want to play zombies everyday. But as far as a majority standpoint, I HONESTLY do not see that many people complaining about tha ban because NOTHING has changed as of yet. They have not even experienced an entire week without zombies during the weekday. And I doubt even after 6 months of this ban, anyone will really be turned off by the game because there are no zombies games. I do agree we have to compensate for this game being removed, but as you see, it was not even an issue before this ressurgence of hosting.

If we host zombies 100,000 zombies games, then that's fine. But i'd like to see 100,000 different games as well. The reason why deathmatch and javs2 seems over hosted is because they can be used for various reasons. Moreso, deathmatch as it is just an open space with a few rocks.

Now as far as your complaint about me attempting to get rid of hosts I do not like,

I am not trying to get rid of anyone. However, I do feel staff needs a swift kick in the ass in the different variety of events we host. Sure, you have 3.1454354254363 % in this arena, but what the hell is the point of figuring that out? The point is, we need alot more diverse gameplay, and some new games. Hopefully this call for action will stir things up and start inspiring the creative process as now one less option is made available. They can't just prize something new to the zombies and call that a "brand spanking new game".

If we wanted robot hosters, then we should have just made more bots that will auto host everything. Hopefully the rest of TW and I are not looking for hosts that act like Roller Coaster operators who just flip a button and wait for you to get off the ride. We need passionate hosters that want to create games, host diverse games, and actually care about what people want to play. None of us are getting paid for this, but it doesn't mean that we can just sit around and expect less.

Like I said, courses of action will take place to help inspire the <ER>'s but these have not been executed yet. All <ER>'swill be notified when these courses of actions take place.

There are none as deaf as those who will not hear.

If you really feel I am deaf, then I will ask for a poll to be created regarding the zombies ban. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. But it will not mean that the ban is lifted. The ban is there to stay period.

I will not be responding via forums any longer, so please talk to me inperson Kyace. I think the public has enough information as of now from both me and you. With the poll inplace, that should satisfy both of us in whether the public agrees or disagrees with the ban.

The ban is temporary, and will most likely be lifted in the nearby future. However, if that seems like an eternity, then with the poll in place, we may lift it sooner.