Next proposed item: weasel needs serious overhaul

[Ignominy]

What it is now is not working and has not worked since its debut. I would REALLY like this to be the next item on the list of public change proposals.

What ideas, if any, are floating around about this now? I'm not sure a revert is the best solution, but it can't stay the same.

I'd also like to see the popularity of weasel-free pubs, but I'd rather see it in a state where all ships fit in all pubs, though I imagine that's just a pipe dream.

[Hakaku]

Iforgothisname>Cloaks are the most usless ship of ss
Hakaku> Weasels are god
Hakaku> don't be jealous

[Doc Flabby]

so...we let u guys ruin the levi...then let u ruin another much hated ship by bases....the weasel
all in the name of basing.....sigh.....

after the weasel u guys gonna nerf the jav too....after all there are "too" many javs in pure pub.

in fact why stop thetre lets just allow spiders, sharks and terra in pub. because wbs are "too" powerful and lancs are "lame"

[Ignominy]

so...we let u guys ruin the levi...then let u ruin another much hated ship by bases....the weasel
all in the name of basing.....sigh.....

after the weasel u guys gonna nerf the jav too....after all there are "too" many javs in pure pub.

in fact why stop thetre lets just allow spiders, sharks and terra in pub. because wbs are "too" powerful and lancs are "lame"

...

One, I don't like the levi change

Two, I think wbs are a staple of pubs. The reason they're not used in basing is not because they are "too" powerful but because a team of wbs vs a team of spids won't have a chance.

Three, Jav shipsettings are not going anywhere

Four, the new lanc is a great ship, very balanced and somewhat useful unlike the old one, and with its "forgiving" fire pattern I think it's a must have in pubs.

Five, weasel fukin suks yo. A one tile ship was a good idea in theory but too ripe for abuse and misuse in practice. The current settings neither fit in with the rest of the ships or work in ANY dynamic of the game, nor do they adhere to what I feel is the traditional spirit of the weasel. It's lost even its humor value.

It needs some serious work, and you need to pay more attention before you whine, I don't want reasons to dislike you, I've always been a $fan$.

I'd really like to see some good suggestions on how this can be made better.

[Iguana Bob]

The x is a melee ship that should only be able to kill when close to the other ships. It requires a lot of micromanagement to manage cloak and stealth at the same time. The main thing that needs changed is the thrust shot which is the only thing that makes it overpowerd because it makes them a long range ship. Everything else is fine. Do not make them bigger, have you tried to base with a large x in a game like warzone? They are worthless.

And levs need to move faster otherwise they will continue to suck- no ship should be screwed over like they were.

[Ignominy]

have you tried to base with a large x

sorry, but this screams inexperienced

[Iguana Bob]

And you scream pissed off cryaby who has just been killed by an x and is now screaming for a nurf(and one that probably never pubs either). Face it the large X is slow, has huge energy problems, has very slow shots, and is only good for spawning things outside of base.

The x as it is now is an agile melee fighter that can help to break up base by sneaking in and killing certain ships. Any competant terr/lanc/ jav/x will stop it before it does any damage to their team.

[Kontrolz]

so...we let u guys ruin the levi...then let u ruin another much hated ship by bases....the weasel
all in the name of basing.....sigh.....

Hi. Welcome to Trenchwars public arena. The point of this arena is to hold the glowing ball as long as possible. You might notice that being a warbird in the spawn area wont accomplish this, nor will flying around with L4 bombs and just pummeling walls so you may want to consider moving into the base to protect it. Some call this basing, some call this the point of the public arenas.

If you should have any problems with this then
?go elim
?go javs
?go twdd
?go twjd
?go wbduel
?go baseelim
?go javduel
?go duel
etc.

Have a nice day, moron.

[Ignominy]

And you scream pissed off cryaby who has just been killed by an x and is now screaming for a nurf(and one that probably never pubs either).

...

Face it the large X is slow, has huge energy problems, has very slow shots, and is only good for spawning things outside of base.

If you'll notice, I specifically said that I was unsure if a revert was the best way to handle it.

The x as it is now is an agile melee fighter that can help to break up base by sneaking in and killing certain ships.

Spread fire/thrust shot/hole abuse make it anything but a melee ship.

If you see the weasel as a ship that should be melee oriented and want to make it more fitting for that role, why not suggest something like short bullet range?

I'm asking for ideas, not pointless, groundless insults.

[Iguana Bob]

If you actually looked at my first post I said remove thrust shot and you called me a noob in the reply, reading comprehension FTW . . .

[Ignominy]

I'll show you why I included thrust shot

The x as it is now is an agile melee fighter

then I'll remind you that I listed two other reasons

Spread fire/thrust shot/hole abuse

but mostly I really want to say that this is getting everyone nowhere in terms of discussing/furthering ideas.

My comment was intended to say that your comment led me to believe you had never played before the change, and thus did not have the full ground to stand on with your argument, and I'm sorry if that chipped at your pride.

Also note that I'm not necessarily complaining about these aspects of the weasel (though I do obviously dislike the one tile status), but rather that they are aspects that keep it from being a melee ship (which is how I presume you play it and you would like it to be played).

[Money]

weasel is fine how it is, learn to dodge

[Money]

Hi. Welcome to Trenchwars public arena. The point of this arena is to hold the glowing ball as long as possible. You might notice that being a warbird in the spawn area wont accomplish this, nor will flying around with L4 bombs and just pummeling walls so you may want to consider moving into the base to protect it. Some call this basing, some call this the point of the public arenas.

If you should have any problems with this then
?go elim
?go javs
?go twdd
?go twjd
?go wbduel
?go baseelim
?go javduel
?go duel
etc.

Have a nice day, moron.

hahahahaha

[Bioture]

reset settings back to the 2002 ones. I didn't recall any whining back then. but keep the basing bots. it's nice to have a couple of pubs thats pure basing.

[Toasty]

don't care much about what u do with the cloak, just dont change the size + bullet power.