This Levi BS!

[1ight]

From my former game experience, many years ago. I loved playing in the pubs, alot of action in the pure pub. The action was most of the time in the flag room, mid-base and some at the roof. People came to the pure pub to actually enjoy a good base game. There was no priv freqs, due to balance the teams = good base game. Private freqing was just a selfish act to kill outside base or just to spoil a good base game in the pubs. Most people say that pub is nothing, its because that they just don't survive, getting pissed off that some "newb" just killed them.

Anyways, my point from my game experience, the levi cannot co-exist with a pure pub. Infact, the whole idea about the levi is so anti-base, that they should be totally remade., or to keep 1 pub as pure pub. Levi is the most selfish ship made, it cannot help a base game, it destorys a base game, people want action, not some mid-basing, tube mining desert. Back then, you could notice how the whole pub just died when someone was LTing.

First thing, you havea good base game, alot of action, then the LT comes and wipes the terr out, the whole team out in base or team gets into midbase. If not wiped; team fires down in tube, making it harder to come up and some people will be chasing the LT, which means 1-3 players is excluded from the midbase. With all the action outside base, the pub will die and get deserted, there will be no intrest in getting the flag. Since either people is shoting down the tube, spawnkilling, chasing LT, you name it. The pub become a desert, all players spread around. It just get very boring and the whole idea of TW gets lost in the midst.

I've been a lev, I've LTed, I know that at some point, when you don't get as much kills with lev, the person LTing will ask the lev that they would change pub, with more people, for more kills. This is how the cycle then goes, from pub to pub. At least this is my levi experience, highest bounty was around 450 with credit account, good times. : )

The problem is not in the levi settings, the problem is the levi itself. If the devolpment team doesn't understand this, THEN they do not even play pub that much, if they would, they would know this issue with the levi, no offence.

Basically what I'm saying, the levi is not suited for a base game, never will be, unless it is made more like a fightning vessle without bombs and more acc etc... totally remade.

As for my grammar and spelling, this is not a school essey. : )

Denon: I don't think you know what pure pub basing was/is about.



Someone said: we got ?go base or other basing events if you want a basing game that has shiprestrictions. use those if you cant handle a full shipset.

No seriously, in ?go base you get picked, you need to wait, and if you are not known, you don't get picked, unless there isn't other people around. That what made pure pub good, you don't need to wait, you don't need to get picked, you can choose what ever ship want, except for the lev.

[Tigron-X]

At first, I didn't like these new levs because it was fun blowing up FR, and getting like 8 kills with one shot was awesome. I actually took pride in taking skilled levs around and killing pubs. B)

But, after playing these new levs, I realized that it actually takes more skill to get kills, and I love that. Newbs will actually have to learn to shoot with a lev in order to get kills, so props to whoever came up with the idea.

As for levs in Pure-Pub, they need to go. Face it! Levs in pubs destroy intense basing. Period. And the good thing about Pure-Pub was that it gave people, specifically newbs, a chance to learn how to base. And, if people learn how to base, then they will try to join ?go base games, or they'll try to get into twd; or at least they'll be better prepared for a BD when and if they decide to join a squad.

Most of all, it was nice to be able to base in a Pure-Pub and enjoy the intense basing, or go to a LT-Pub and enjoy taking base as a LT.

I think the variety is the best way to go.

Originally Posted by Eck.
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failing to grasp basic english does not equal getting laid.

things like grammar and spelling were made so people can fucking understand what the hell you're saying.

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[Mootland Farmer]

So you'd all much rather have one Public of competition than 3 or 4? I think people are failing to grasp that Trench Wars is a team game, and that to eliminate the Leviathan, you have to work as a team. I have seen plenty of instances where the Leivathan has been used to help a team get flag, or in battles in the flagroom.

The changes to the Leviathan were made so it doesn't totally destroy basing, and that has what happened. Basing still occurs with Leviathans. It's the fact that people are unwilling to try out the new settings and try to work as a team to eliminate the so called threat of the Leviathan.

[Eck.]

Okay tigron how was i pwned???? wut that nerd wrote about my grammer proves that my penis is bigger than his and he loves school and i would kick the shit out of him because he fails to grasp ebonics

And mootland the lev changes are gay and i think b4 u mods change more shit u should take votes from every player in the game because without player who would u mods get to powertrip on???? then ud just be pale white kids that live in the basement and make virus' instead of fake 80 lb cops on a 2d space game

[Troll King]

Yes, you clearly sound like someone who deserves a vote.

[Eck.]

Yes, you clearly sound like someone who deserves a vote.

STFU smartass how about we just keep letting the mods change shit and say nothing and be little bitch's

[Mootland Farmer]

Troll King's post is proving more and more as you post.

[bkgmjo]

i think all pubs should be the same(diffrent maybe in timed games). that has worked best so far. if we really need a "pure" we could have it as another 24/7 event where you dont have to get picked(one thing i would definatly change about ?go base. the idea of voting before round start was good. dont know who gave that). i loved to have levis in my pub even tho i didnt use them much. it was just a variety of diffrent ships and fun hunting them down. also fun to have the surprise effect of an incoming levi bomb being able to change the whole game around. one terr sitting in safety in the back of the base isnt enough anymore. but i see nothing wrong about that. just forces a freq to become even more teaming than solo fighting.

i agree with tiggy that those new levs are more fun than expected. it is a little dissapointing you barely get kills on wallshots anymore but the new aiming part is more of a challenge and does not cost that many teamkills.

Troll King's post is proving more and more as you post.

100% agreed

[1ight]

i think all pubs should be the same(diffrent maybe in timed games). that has worked best so far. if we really need a "pure" we could have it as another 24/7 event where you dont have to get picked(one thing i would definatly change about ?go base. the idea of voting before round start was good. dont know who gave that). i loved to have levis in my pub even tho i didnt use them much. it was just a variety of diffrent ships and fun hunting them down. also fun to have the surprise effect of an incoming levi bomb being able to change the whole game around. one terr sitting in safety in the back of the base isnt enough anymore. but i see nothing wrong about that. just forces a freq to become even more teaming than solo fighting.

i agree with tiggy that those new levs are more fun than expected. it is a little dissapointing you barely get kills on wallshots anymore but the new aiming part is more of a challenge and does not cost that many teamkills.



100% agreed

I don't think you got the point, nor do I think you even pub that much. Tiger, gave a great point. As I explained from previous experience, with LTs in the pub, people will (get) spread out meaning that there will not intense action around the flagroom where there should be action. At least in pure pub, you got extreme and intense battles.

The point in a timed game is to get the flag, hold it, get your bonus. The whole idea kinda gets lost with levs, levs will "only snipe" outside base, sometimes inside of base, people gets pissed, starts to chase. Usually LTs have extra backup, sometimes a shark to rep or some wb to protect the LT, you name it. These are not the usuall LTs you see, I'd like to think that if a you are a good LT, you have your backup, if chasers. The most fun in LTing is when the terr gets his lev a high bounty. Meaning that you have survived for a long time, it gives you somewhat status and people will remember you, that you was able to LT very good.

Even if the radius is reduced or whatever, it still doesn't eliminate that people will chase and start to desert the whole base. And since they don't want any levs around, they go to the spawn and kill them there, so then comes a new player and sees ie a wb that has been pissed off because of the lev and this new player shots the wb spawning the lev. So what kind of idea do you get from that? If the player is new, he will start playing in the spawn area, instead of going to get the flag.

In pure base, there wasn't many around the spawn areas, since most of the people understood, "Hey, there is alot of action near the flagroom, lets attach to our terr and help to conquer the base and get the flag." And the fact, you get bonus and your name into the MVP just adds the spice from a hard work to get into base and keep the flag. Now that is competion.

[Vykromond]

basically be gay because u jerk off alot

oh ok

[Tigron-X]

So you'd all much rather have one Public of competition than 3 or 4? I think people are failing to grasp that Trench Wars is a team game, and that to eliminate the Leviathan, you have to work as a team. I have seen plenty of instances where the Leivathan has been used to help a team get flag, or in battles in the flagroom.

The changes to the Leviathan were made so it doesn't totally destroy basing, and that has what happened. Basing still occurs with Leviathans. It's the fact that people are unwilling to try out the new settings and try to work as a team to eliminate the so called threat of the Leviathan.

What do you mean by one Pub of competition? Wouldn't we still have more than 1 Pub, except the difference would be that each pub poses a different competition?

Or was there a lack of population in Pub because of Pure-Pub?

Okay tigron how was i pwned???? wut that nerd wrote about my grammer proves that my penis is bigger than his and he loves school and i would kick the shit out of him because he fails to grasp ebonics

Yes, we all get (and agree) that you're the biggest d*ck. You can stop proving it now. WE GET IT!

[Mootland Farmer]

The goal of Trench Wars is to promote basing. We can do this by having basing in all Public arenas apart from one.

[Troll King]

What do you mean by one Pub of competition? Wouldn't we still have more than 1 Pub, except the difference would be that each pub poses a different competition?

Or was there a lack of population in Pub because of Pure-Pub?

Too many people say that they'd only play in pure pub, and not in any of the other ones. That's a problem, not just because it's a sign that the other pubs are crappy, but because that attitude makes them a lot crappier. Part of the reason that pubs dropped in quality is a lack of modelling by more established players. New players emulate older, better ones. When those who based stopped playing in regular pubs, the only ones to emulate were the non-basers.

[bkgmjo]

I don't think you got the point, nor do I think you even pub that much. Tiger, gave a great point. As I explained from previous experience, with LTs in the pub, people will (get) spread out meaning that there will not intense action around the flagroom where there should be action. At least in pure pub, you got extreme and intense battles.

The point in a timed game is to get the flag, hold it, get your bonus. The whole idea kinda gets lost with levs, levs will "only snipe" outside base, sometimes inside of base, people gets pissed, starts to chase. Usually LTs have extra backup, sometimes a shark to rep or some wb to protect the LT, you name it. These are not the usuall LTs you see, I'd like to think that if a you are a good LT, you have your backup, if chasers. The most fun in LTing is when the terr gets his lev a high bounty. Meaning that you have survived for a long time, it gives you somewhat status and people will remember you, that you was able to LT very good.

Even if the radius is reduced or whatever, it still doesn't eliminate that people will chase and start to desert the whole base. And since they don't want any levs around, they go to the spawn and kill them there, so then comes a new player and sees ie a wb that has been pissed off because of the lev and this new player shots the wb spawning the lev. So what kind of idea do you get from that? If the player is new, he will start playing in the spawn area, instead of going to get the flag.

In pure base, there wasn't many around the spawn areas, since most of the people understood, "Hey, there is alot of action near the flagroom, lets attach to our terr and help to conquer the base and get the flag." And the fact, you get bonus and your name into the MVP just adds the spice from a hard work to get into base and keep the flag. Now that is competion.

hm, cant help it when u think i dont pub but actually except starcon and battleship i barely play anything but pub. the same with my bro just that he used to be in the pure pub while it was in the levi pubs. and most of my rl friends who play got their own favourite place in the game. so yah actually i have some discussions and try to get everyone there.
i agree with you in players being spread out, but i rather have that than only one active pub and 2 spawning ones. and that is how i got to know tw when it was really crowded. sometimes 700 players online(of which not 50 were bots) and big surprise: it worked! there was basing action with alot of pubbasingsquads and way less spawning than when it started with settings being messed around with. the maptweaking to make it harder for lts were ok, they actually helped basing. but the rest that followed just got people pissed off and deserted pubs.
there was never intense basing action like in pure pubs but i dont think pub was ever ment to become an arena for professional basing where every shot has to hit and every mistake makes your team loose. it was a place where you could chill a bit and do whatever you like, if its basing, spawning, lting, or dueling around safes or whatever. we always had ?go base for the intense basing fights. but if you wanted to win the flagroom, you always had to play as a team. you had to conquer it, defend it, and hunt the lts from outside down too(that actually dont have a chance to line up shots at base when you hunt them). and nobody complained about it then. it was just part of the game.
the only idea that got lost is the collecting of score and holding flag as something important. nobody talks about score anymore except they wanna ?buy something. but for that the timed game bot is a good replacement.
one other thing i missed is not only levis but baseterrs going for a high bounty and for that using alot of macros, like x warnings, lt warnings, and the attach to xy macros.
but since those changes now have been made and tested, i have seen all those things come back. i see less spawning, basing in all pubs, less privates, more teamplay, terrs going for bounty and a larger population in publics in general, not only in one. so really i dont think anything wrong has happened here.

[Kontrolz]

You know, the simplest solution to all these problems?

GET RID OF ?GO BASE

Watch the more experienced players come into the pub, or TWD more. Either way it's a good thing. I remember when ?go base became automated, one by one all the decent basers left pub never to be seen again.

Oh btw eck, please post more, you're quite entertaining.