Ban'd from TW again listen to the reason!

[Ephemeral]

The issue obviously has to do with allowing or even ‘rewarding’ behaviors (ban dueling) that potentially leads to abuse of the rules system. Instituting a more narrow rule that only addresses a player who intentionally gets himself banned only puts the staff in the position of subjectively determining ‘intent’. And as we all know, determining ‘intent’ always opens the door to a huge amount of whining.

Other possible solutions? Take away pub chat, allow only squad chats and PM’s (perhaps restricted by arena)?

[Barton]

I didn't ban u the FIRST time...

ps. i'm NOT female

[concealed]

Who Wants To Ban Duel?

[Xog]

this is a pretty big thread for something's that totally stupid

[Nethila]

why is this in twl session?
off to general it goes since its more or less about ban duel + eelam's whining

[Troll King]

I think it's not so much the concept of a ban duel as it is about people going out of their ways to do something illegal to get banned. Everyday instances of doing something illegal is one thing, but doing it to with the intent of getting banned is flaunting the rules.

[Noah]

Is it illegal for a player to make a deal with another player to go get banned if a certain situation ends in a certain way, as in a bet?

Let's say that Norway and Sweden had a football match, and both me and Mantra-Slider bets a ban on our country to win. Norway wins (ofc), and Mantra goes off to spam racism/cheat. Should I then get a ban as well?

Staff will never aid someone in a ban duel (like banning, locking spec, or any other moderation), and that's about all we can do about it.

Banning both players in a ban duel would be stupid, because the winner could easily claim that he never intended to go through with it himself, and just wanted to see if the other player were dumb enough to go get banned. Staff can't just go in and assume a deal to exist in a certain illegal way, then assume that both players are serious about it, or that there is a deal at all.

I think everyone knows how bad loopholes are getting used, and that it leaves alot of mess with it. If we make rules that can't be 100% enforced, and can't be 100% consistent, then we're sure to create shit for someone to exploit.

[Nickname]

thats a lot more than two words.

[Money]

two words, sand in your fucking vaginas

[PH]

anyone can go spew out racism

this

[MirrorriM]

Because they're not illegal. Where in the zone rules does it state they are?
They are however highly discouraged. Staff themselves have organised and participated in banduels. The agreement being that zone rules were not to be broken by the loser, and would instead remain logged out for the negotiated time. Such an agreement forged between two players cannot and will not be monitored by zone staff. I don't care what kind of zany terms you want to apply if you were to enter into such a competition, but the line is drawn against breaking existing zone rules to fulfill your end of the bargain. If you do, and staff are aware of your banduel, I'll make you wish you hadn't.

Let's not forget this. First two sentences especially. As for the loser, I think what Rudy means is anyone can go spew out racism, but for someone known to be involved in a ban duel and because they lost they are using racism, there are no clear guidelines as to how long they will be banned. Basically what mhz said. Hopefully we can get some clearer guidelines when Rudy comes online.

[Left_Eye]

How can you have a ban duel without a mod? So it's not a ban duel unless some satffer steps up says he'll ban the loser. At that point the staffer should get banned or axed. I mean, sounds ridiculous.

Kawrae, you can have banduel by the other person sticking to what the pact they agreed to, and go out and do something illegal. However, if the person does stick to it, then both get banned if I'm not mistaken. Besides, ban duels are illegal, and I personally think that anyone participating in one should be warned then banned appropriately. Rudy will send out a judgement soon enough though, I'm assuming.

[MetalHeadz]

how can you 'have' a banduel when having a banduel is illigal, I mean.. They can't ban you if you lose, so how can you get banned for having the banduel that is illigal in the first place O_o

doesnt make any sence but.. some special person out there understands me

so now turkish is banned for..? having the banduel or is he banned for doing illigal stuff so he would get banned for losing the banduel

In laymans terms pasta, the loser of a banduel sometimes sends a racist help message or tks someone to get banned as thus fulfilling there end of the deal. Rudy's point is that he doesnt give a sh*t if you banduel, just dont expect staff to enforce it in anyway and if you do break a rule to deliberately get banned he'll fuck your ass hard.

[pascone]

someone should move this

Ban'd from trenchwars because me and this other newb had a ban duel. But he dindt get himself banned so Barton being the slut she is BANS ME for "having" a ban duel. GG STAFF

LOLOLOL

you serious ahahahaah