Distension Beta Suggestions/Bugfix thread

[Vergilius]

i already suspect what the answer is gonna be, but can you install a way to switch from l3 to l2 bullets in mid combat, like turning multifire on and off? (so without having to !scrap that upgrade or sth)
Could develop a whole bunch of new techniques

[AcidBomber]

We are now patiently waiting in #distension for it to start ^___^

^-^

[HateTheFake]

terriers need burst how else are they spose to get kills? they arent nearly as gifted as javs to have 1 hit kills anyother way. Not to mention getting 30 000 rp while profit sharing 50 rp every min is gonna suck balls, you think not alot of people terr now, wait til you nerf the terr even more. Maybe then after everyone does basing without them, you will give its burst back.

[Zeimonster]

All I want is for the ships to be balanced, so that is why I wrote how I felt about playing with/against some ships. It was just my opinion of the situation and I wish more people posted theirs as well.

It just feels you missed the point entirely and focused on seeing it all as pointless whining.

My opinion is that weasel should be nerfed. Concentrating all my anger on mjollnir, obviously because he's got the highest level weasel. Just gonna state all the reasons why I feel the ship is overpowered at the moment. Might add some more later.

1. MJ was annoying even before he got stealth but now he can assassinate practically anyone except for a terr if they have their x-radar on (there are some high level terrs who dont use it all the time).
2. Mj can shoot 2 bullets within 1 sec
3. He regenerates very quickly
4. He's got a rocket
5. And a portal
6. The ship is so tiny that its way to the base cant be blocked by anything and it's hard to hit something so small - especially if they're completely invisible

At the moment there aren't many ships that could kill mj 1on1 even 1 out of 10 times AND survive because of the reasons above. Terrs of course might stand a chance...

Weasels have some other unique abilities as well (Vengeaful Bastard and maybe getting a brick soon) which I dont really mind them having, though.

It may seem pretty whiny but the fact of the matter is that this game is still in a beta phase. That means that the ships are most likely not balanced yet. The more balanced they get, the more fun it is for everyone to play. You may have a good time with your ship but that doesn't mean every ship is fun to play or truly balanced yet.

[AcidBomber]

Lol i am with Zei on that one.

The only way i can kill MJ some times is when he misses me and i shoot him back (all while he has no more port).

Lol... now he's completely invisible is like impossible to see him without x-radar...
PS: Verg is 2nd highest level weasel, he's a bit different, i get engine shutdown when i kill him... which is gay cuz i get strayed and cant dodge lol

haha

[Mjollnir]

My opinion is that weasel should be nerfed. Concentrating all my anger on mjollnir, obviously because he's got the highest level weasel. Just gonna state all the reasons why I feel the ship is overpowered at the moment. Might add some more later.

1. MJ was annoying even before he got stealth but now he can assassinate practically anyone except for a terr if they have their x-radar on (there are some high level terrs who dont use it all the time).
2. Mj can shoot 2 bullets within 1 sec
3. He regenerates very quickly
4. He's got a rocket
5. And a portal
6. The ship is so tiny that its way to the base cant be blocked by anything and it's hard to hit something so small - especially if they're completely invisible

At the moment there aren't many ships that could kill mj 1on1 even 1 out of 10 times AND survive because of the reasons above. Terrs of course might stand a chance...

Weasels have some other unique abilities as well (Vengeaful Bastard and maybe getting a brick soon) which I dont really mind them having, though.

Terrs pretty much own me so I think anyone with x-radar will do so as well. Doesn't most everyone get x-radar by level 40 except levi at 44? You have to remember I own most people because my level is higher (lvl 41). It is of course true that I can currently own people who don't have x-radar when it's 1 vs 1. In a crowded flagroom I can't do very much though. The bullet firing rate is such that, I can shoot 2 single bullets pretty fast in a row but not multis.

I guess it all comes down to how Dug intended it to be. If he wanted the weasel to get cloak and stealth then there isn't much one can do. The ship is going to get them at some point and I don't think it's very early to get stealth at level 40. When people start getting x-radar my stealth and cloak will be useless especially if the x-radar nrg cost isn't huge.

I would like to hear from Dug how he thought this one out because there is probably some reason for the level when people get x-radar and I get stealth. If everyone was close to my rank it would be much easier to determine if the current weasel is too strong. I wouldn't be so sure yet.

I realize it must be very annoying to play against me now that I have stealth though so I certainly understand your frustration.

[PH]

Terrs pretty much own me so I think anyone with x-radar will do so as well.

which is why i still have to run from you even in terr, right?

[Epic li]

which is why i still have to run from you even in terr, right?

whic is why every terr i saw fighting him got owned*

[AcidBomber]

whic is why every terr i saw fighting him got owned*

Which is why i second what he said. :P

[Nockm]

Aww Mjoll you meany

[maddack]

Bursts:

Current limit 5, maybe lower to 4. Why not lower more? I think getting prized bursts for staying alive is a nice bonus, especially if you're guarding a FR all alone, it's fun to fill up. And besides you have a small chance to defend a quick attack before people attach to you!

Make the second starting burst much more expensive to buy. I don't know current numbers but suggestion is something like 1st burst maybe 10 UPs, 2nd burst 40 UPs? maybe 60 UPs? Then you can have a third burst available at some level and it costs like 100 UPs and you'd have to be very strange to buy that! Then some crazy guy can buy bursts but will sacrifice alot of energy/recharge and stuff. I like options. This goes similarly to the terr level 2 (btw dug did you make sure this lvl2 is less effective than lanc lvl2?). I have chosen not to buy lvl 2 bullet because it's so expensive, but that raible guy has it.

The burst regen is good as it is, especially with above changes. No need to increase it.

Everything else about terr is perfect! Except maybe the rotation upgrade. I see no point in buying it at all! Currently flying 0/16 rot, 10/10 thrusters, 8/16speed which I think is pretty much optimal.


Weazels:

I love having to dodge Mjollnir. He plays his ship very well. If you nerf wzl do it very little I think. Better in my opinion is to make somewhat cheap x-radar available for lanc/shark/jav. Cheap to buy but cost much energy to use, like in pub!


About other ships I noticed very few warbirds flying around recently. Maybe that's just temporary?

[Fluffz]

this game is supporting caming. like i stated, pushing isnt worth it. i think thats because the damage output related to dodging cost is very high. there should be less bullets and bombs around. or points for TEKs in base. or some tank ability like shield which u get every x mins by messaging !! to the bot (for lanc wtf) instead of full energy

weasels are supposed to be the same size as normal ships, whoever made them tiny in the first place had no clue. port+cloak is instant tek id id play them.

imho terrs are too slow and or tank too less, thats why they have to hide in the ear all the time.

lanc has no high level upgrade worth getting, i have heard firebloom is good but bomb or decoy is kinda worthless for its price unless its like 5 decoys a second. lvl3 bullets at a higher energy cost for 40? UP aint worth it without high level leech. dont get me wrong, those gadgets are ok, but i cant afford to put UP into it because i need all my UP for movement/energy in order to be able to compete.
basically i just get upgrade 1-5 and leech which is another energy upgrade. at lvl45 i get that mysterious firebloom and than what? i dont think that the 0 speed prox bomb with shrap will prove itself more usefull than lvl2 singlefire bullets. also lanc fire rate is too slow.

[gdugwyler]

Make the second starting burst much more expensive to buy. I don't know current numbers but suggestion is something like 1st burst maybe 10 UPs, 2nd burst 40 UPs?

This is a good idea: doesn't eliminate the possibility of starting with L2 entirely, but makes it a difficult choice. Re: Lanc L2 v Terr L2, the Terr's version is still almost twice as slow as the Lanc's, costs a more, and doesn't have as concentrated a spread. Also, fixing the rotation bug definitely rendered that particular upgrade less useful, I'll admit, as everyone now starts with pretty good rotation. To compromise I've tried to make it cheap for those that want to try the upgrade. It's at least pretty useful on the Lanc, on which I have several levels of it.


Weasels/Stealth/XRadar: I've lowered the costs and rank required for XRadar for several ships to mid-range (nobody had it except Terrs, Weasels and some Sharks). Jav, Lanc and Levi are the main recipients here. The costs are still fairly high for these ships (think Jav in pub). WB and Spid also had the rank required for X slightly lowered, but it still costs a lot to purchase it. A lot of people I don't think will end up buying it ... but that's the so-called name of the game here.

Re: Weasel size, pretty sure Dock put that one in. I still think it was a good change ... gives the ship a unique aspect and makes it more combat-ready. However, with this change also came weasel no longer being able to stealth/cloak infinitely. Presently in the world of Distension, with only half normal recharge and a few levels of energy, as is the case with Mjoll's ship, a weasel is able to have them both on with a drain of only about 5 energy per second (!). This is the biggest reason that it's been so devastating -- not that no-one has XRadar. There's a reason the Weasel can be managed in pub ... because after making a kill it can't have both stealth and cloak on. In the spirit of the original intentions of the small weasel I've increased stealth drain by a little bit so that a Weasel who's just been able to purchase stealth can't cloak/stealth infinitely. This will be the case with higher level weasels, however -- just one of the benefits of a powerful ship, and really not all that big a deal.

Fluffz: there's a +50% bonus for base TeKs . I removed any other bonus for terr kills as the base ones are all that should matter. Also, excuse me if I sound exasperated, but the Lanc bomb is not 0 speed... try firing it a different way. It's the beta, so yes, some things will be a little mysterious, but this one is definitely not all that hard to figure out. It is, however, unlike how any other weapon is fired in SS -- I'd be willing to bet you've never had to fire this way before -- but it only works in that fashion and without knowing that piece of information I would inclined to agree with you that it appears less useful than a regular gun. As for how useful it actually is when fired properly, the jury is not yet in. (Protip: have very high top speed, and fire so that the recoil doesn't affect the bomb...) I reduced the fire energy slightly for this weapon, as well as the fire delay. Make it useful. I just tested it out again and if you do it right with top speed it fires about as fast as the bullet... so responding to your comment about bullet fire delay, I won't reduce it for the normal gun as that just perpetuates the image of the Lanc being a one trick pony. As for the Firebloom, I also tested that one out today, and my, it's still quite nice. This is the Lanc's final ability: after rank 45 or so the Lanc doesn't have much, because its RP required for each rank is quite a bit less than for the other two fighting ships. It also doesn't have access to the last few levels of "basic" upgrades that all other ships do. It's meant for those that want to play well quickly but not necessarily for the long haul. Hope that sheds some light.

[2kill]

It's meant for those that want to play well quickly but not necessarily for the long haul. Hope that sheds some light.

what? I thought the lanc was a special unlock. Its going to be unlocked by people in for the long haul...

so I'm a bit confused

On a lighter note, about the full charge for the spider where you have to pm the bot I think it should be called 'emergency cappacitor' cause thats basicly what its doing just an idea don't know if you named it yet I haven't played spider since you mentioned the change

Terrs:

I like maddack's idea I think it could work

Weasels:
I think you have to remeber that weasels are a special unlock and won't be around much in the release so imagen no weasels or just one playing sometimes I don't think their to over powered... thats me with my lanc with wide shots and my terr with lots of ports and regen...

thats all for now
2kill

[Fluffz]

yea it was. and thats why for lanc

• lvl3 bullets should come with bounce
• 2 bombs should be able to be shot with full energy at no delay.
• shield should be an !! upgrade
• decoy should be cheaper