Distension Beta Suggestions/Bugfix thread

[roxxkatt]

im a lev with lv2 bullets, and i have trouble winning against spids with lv1 bullets.
i have -ONE- shot, and if i miss, i die.

maybe it isnt lv2 is too powerful, maybe its just that not many people have invested in max nrg?
because people who have dont die to lv2s

also: dug, u say u want to release dist in a month...
if thats true, u need to put beta back at 5x rp, because how will you know the effects of high leveled ships?
because -one- level 70+ levi would be firing big, shiny, blue prox bombs WITH BLUE SHRAP rather quickly, WITH EMP.
and these high terrs NOW have 5 bursts, which if lucky, can kill -FIFTEEN- people... which has already begun to throw off distension.

also, meddis shark got cloak today.
which i think is a good idea. it gives the shark offensive capabilities.

unfortunately, i also saw terrs with antideath.
antideath is one of the three things that are killing hyperspace.
i suggest you be -VERY- careful with it.

[meddi]

I've had cloak for a week or so, Cheesy. B)

I don't find sharks lacking offensively - at least at high levels.

[roxxkatt]

only saw u using it today... =\

and wtf, the shark cannons have like a 10ms bulletdelay?
id like it upped to 25 or so =/

[meddi]

I don't know anything about these crazy bullet delay numbers or whatnot. I just mine people in the face.

[AcidBomber]

Zei, me and Mango basically have the same setup (he has 1 more than me due to higher level).

But basically we invested in speed / recharge / energy + the L2 bullets.

We cannot shoot continuously - that wasnt what mango meant (referring to your convo as i was present).
To be honest, it was hell trying to kill ships with L2s in spid before (IE: lans/levs) because it took skill aiming (which not a lot of people have except for basers). But now, finally we can make ourselves more useful with L2s, sure we can shoot 3x in a row, but that would put us in a vulnerable position.
The reason i can kill you before is because you missed - else i die first (1 hit KO from L2s), so now that I got L2s, i stand a chance against you. (Before with L1s, we would both shoot bullets, but i die from your L2s while you can shoot a L2 at me, then take a L1 bullet and live... -_- )
Besides, your speed is insane, i have 9 speed but you still go much much faster lol...

But yeh, when i said 2250~ or whatnot, i was referring to your max energy. For spids, our max is probably around 1600 or so... i only have 1490 right now i believe?


PS: I still die in 1 hit to L2s, is it that hard to shoot me? I dont have defense like portals and i dont go that fast... if i get hit, i die - and that was it. lol <_<

[Downfall]

cancel dist it is killing the basing community :sadoldsmi

[AcidBomber]

cancel dist it is killing the basing community :sadoldsmi

Oh be quiet newblet! Distension is for both the pros and the newbs! Come join us! :grin:

[roxxkatt]

join us or die.
those are your only choices...

[project dragon]

Is there any chance you can turn off the idle watch thingy for terrs ? sometimes i get speced even thought I move around. As a terr, sometime's all you do is sit around until nme comes so I dont think we should be checked. I think either turn it off for terrs, or in general, have a command we can send to the bot (like ::!notidle / ::!ni) so the bot doesn't spec me : )

[Fluffz]

imho lvl3 is still not improving anything and it does that for the bargain of 40+ UP. cant u price some additional energy and recharge upgrade with the lvl3's? or bounce of course.

the only way to tank lvl2 is not to shoot, and noone does that. so lvl3's are still a downgrade kill/time wise. and u cant kill the terr because there are too many ships in between and the lanc is too slow so they dont help at basing either. the only thing they do is kill those running wbs in 1 shot but meh. im even having a worse time with levis, who emp me and than i cant shoot lvl3 anymore, while i could do so with lvl2. also after attaching i could shoot 1 shot of lvl2 but its impossible with lvl3 where i have to reload first.

or for lanc screw bullet upgrade for bomb upgrade.

[gdugwyler]

Is there any chance you can turn off the idle watch thingy for terrs ? sometimes i get speced even thought I move around. As a terr, sometime's all you do is sit around until nme comes so I dont think we should be checked. I think either turn it off for terrs, or in general, have a command we can send to the bot (like ::!notidle / ::!ni) so the bot doesn't spec me : )

Only problem with that is that people will then set it as an away message. A couple things I could do: reduce the radius for how far it tests you for being "not moving"; or provide a randomly-generated key that the player could PM the bot to verify they're not idle. I'll try the first one and see if it clears it up. Presently if you just move 5 tiles away from your present position and wait 20 seconds you shouldn't be counted as idle. If, on the other hand, you move 5 tiles away and move right back, when 20 seconds rolls around again the bot is going to think you're idle because you're in the same spot you were 20 seconds ago -- it doesn't check often to save on resources.

imho lvl3 is still not improving anything and it does that for the bargain of 40+ UP. cant u price some additional energy and recharge upgrade with the lvl3's? or bounce of course.

the only way to tank lvl2 is not to shoot, and noone does that. so lvl3's are still a downgrade kill/time wise. and u cant kill the terr because there are too many ships in between and the lanc is too slow so they dont help at basing either. the only thing they do is kill those running wbs in 1 shot but meh. im even having a worse time with levis, who emp me and than i cant shoot lvl3 anymore, while i could do so with lvl2. also after attaching i could shoot 1 shot of lvl2 but its impossible with lvl3 where i have to reload first.

or for lanc screw bullet upgrade for bomb upgrade.

Might consider reducing the cost for L3. However, I'm not saying it'll be worth it at all times to upgrade. If most people will die to L2, stick with L2. But think of when the game has actually been running in public a few months, and there are players who are rank 72 with ungodly energy and recharge -- in this case it may be worth it to take out these behemoths. However, I'm still adjusting L2, and will probably experiment with dropping its damage even further.

Lanc: may give it the L2 option later on. Still thinking about that one. Probably will do it in the end, though have it available only at a rather high level.

[AcidBomber]

Mmm... What was L2 damage before you changed it?
I know you lowered it cuz of the 'overpowered' spids... L2s are now doing 1450 =o

keep in mind it cost 40 UPs to upgrade. -_-

[roxxkatt]

Only problem with that is that people will then set it as an away message. A couple things I could do: reduce the radius for how far it tests you for being "not moving"; or provide a randomly-generated key that the player could PM the bot to verify they're not idle. I'll try the first one and see if it clears it up. Presently if you just move 5 tiles away from your present position and wait 20 seconds you shouldn't be counted as idle. If, on the other hand, you move 5 tiles away and move right back, when 20 seconds rolls around again the bot is going to think you're idle because you're in the same spot you were 20 seconds ago -- it doesn't check often to save on resources..

something has to be done about this...

today i got specced in the MIDDLE OF A FUCKING DUEL with someone...

keep in mind it cost 40 UPs to upgrade.

and wtf, thats way less then the 50 UPs for a levi port.
so apparently
full gun lvl < 1 port

[project dragon]

Also, is there any way to warn a terr that their escape pod is actually going to work? I've made a habit of pressing warp after I die so that I can get out of safe before I rearm so that I can have full charge right away. However, I will do this whenever I see my ship appear on the screen, making me warp away when I get respawned in fr lol.

If you are modeling the escape pods like Hyperspace's antideath, hyperspace gives you a warning text in your chat that you are about to be resurrected with antideath, so I think it is a good thing to implement.

Just for convenience's sake, please!

ps. good work dug : )

[gdugwyler]

Mmm... What was L2 damage before you changed it?
I know you lowered it cuz of the 'overpowered' spids... L2s are now doing 1450 =o

keep in mind it cost 40 UPs to upgrade. -_-

Bypassing the slightly sarcastic reference to overpowered spiders, the main reason that I'm experimenting with lowering L2 is because L3 is not all that useful an upgrade. If you actually read the post just a few up where I talk about it, there's no mention of spiders -- the spider thing is more a side-effect than a main goal. All that said, L2 was previously 1600. I experimented with 1500 one day, 1450 yesterday, and am going to try 1400 today.

spec'd in duel

If it's causing a lot of problems I may have to up the frequency at which it checks you, at the cost of some resources. Sounds like you just got unlucky there. You must have been in roughly the same spot 10 different times, 20 seconds apart. Personally I've never had a problem with the idle except when sitting in safe.

and wtf, thats way less then the 50 UPs for a levi port.
so apparently
full gun lvl < 1 port

You can't compare ships in that fashion. Some upgrades are meant to force the player to make a decision. Levi port is one of them: it's costly because not everyone should buy it. Some will because they can make it useful. If you can make better use of the 50, do that instead.

Also, is there any way to warn a terr that their escape pod is actually going to work? I've made a habit of pressing warp after I die so that I can get out of safe before I rearm so that I can have full charge right away. However, I will do this whenever I see my ship appear on the screen, making me warp away when I get respawned in fr lol.

If you are modeling the escape pods like Hyperspace's antideath, hyperspace gives you a warning text in your chat that you are about to be resurrected with antideath, so I think it is a good thing to implement.

I'm not modelling it after HS; I just stole the idea. The way that it's set up giving you a warning isn't possible as of yet. I kind of like it that way, though I could implement the warning. Without the warning it's less valuable, more surprising, and I think it's too valuable as it is. I'd say try to get used to it, and consider using the !warp option. You have automatic priority rearm anyway, so rearming really shouldn't take that long at all.