yet another awesome basing idea :p

[Ward]

fuck basing and everything it stands for

[Sumpson]

funny quote..

I think I actually brought up this idea before, being convinced it was awesome..(the one about letting winning team stay)
it has good sides, and bad sides which I figured out after the replys.
should try it out to see if its good, not sure if you will be able to find a programmer who will create this to "try it out" tho..

ps. most kills = mvp would be a nice change of mvp.

the goal to get mvp is not very clear now, can't really compete to get mvp during game. I think now to get mvp is to hold back in fights and let the team do the fighting while you kill enemys by hiding behind your team.

this will be fixed by making the player with most kills MVP.

Also, to create more competition, a clear goal needs to be set to accomplish MVP. most kills would be a clear goal.

Another thing, with an MVP system like this you dont need messages during game about who is the current MVP, you can just check scores while being spawned.

An MVP system like this would add something to the game for me. I always used to fight for MVP, I gave up on that with the new MVP system since its not really fighting you have to do for it..

This might not represent the true MVP of the game, but what system does?
I do believe an MVP system like this would be a good thing for basing.

I like playing for the teamplay and try to do this as best as I can, however a good MVP system would motivate me more to play better.


ps.ps. fuck quicksand and everything it stands for

[dads revenge]

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=32291

For those of you who dont have access to that its a TWD MVP betting system that neocount and I were tossing around. we are always trying to guess who will mvp when we dd this would allow a spectator to bet 1 point (which would be reset as TWD resets) to increase or decrease his points. would run during regular season as twlm covers TWL if it gets running again.

[Vatican Assassin]

it would be really great if we could start recording ?go base stats and putting them on the twd site.

ok so here's the great master plan:

next season there will be 3 ways of getting points to get into TWL. This will include 1. pub scores 2. go base, elim, and baseelim scores (or wbduel or go javs or whatever you crazy fuckers play), and 3. twd scores.

say for instance you are trying to get into TWLB. 1/3 of your points come from TWD, say you got 1200 points there. Another 1/3 of your points come from pub. So you add up all the points achieved from players on your team. This will force teams to play pub. Finally, the last 3rd of your points come from ?go base scores. For TWLD ?go elim scores will be used instead of go base, and for TWLJ base elim scores.

So in general, if you get 1st place in TWD, you may have enough points that you won't need to worry about getting more in pub. If you aren't doing so well in TWD, you can go pub or go base or elim and rack up some points. course we don't have the stat gathering bots to accomplish this atm, but who cares?

[JacKieChan>]

Woof

ok so here's the great master plan:

next season there will be 3 ways of getting points to get into TWL. This will include 1. pub scores 2. go base, elim, and baseelim scores (or wbduel or go javs or whatever you crazy fuckers play), and 3. twd scores.

say for instance you are trying to get into TWLB. 1/3 of your points come from TWD, say you got 1200 points there. Another 1/3 of your points come from pub. So you add up all the points achieved from players on your team. This will force teams to play pub. Finally, the last 3rd of your points come from ?go base scores. For TWLD ?go elim scores will be used instead of go base, and for TWLJ base elim scores.

So in general, if you get 1st place in TWD, you may have enough points that you won't need to worry about getting more in pub. If you aren't doing so well in TWD, you can go pub or go base or elim and rack up some points. course we don't have the stat gathering bots to accomplish this atm, but who cares?

INTERESTING.

[Grandias]

basing

when i comes to basing it the smallest thing that gives the team the edge and wins, may it be a lucky kill or just some good team play. all that would mean now im going to start basing again and get the mvp all the time. im not shutting yuo down but i think getting the mvp and getting picked the next round is already enough, isntead of having to sit for another 20 minutes to go by. and the mvp is something thats hard to come by i remember when i was in floydians basing and me any the other teamates were all really good therefore making the mvp more of a skill test. On that note id say that your more like saying that none of you are really of that caliber to get mvp everytime, actaully passing around, now seeing as how some of base is luck i dont see that your idea holds much weight. and i also think your trying to promote basing more by getting newb players to come so you can get a game going, talking about the pms i get to ?go base it seems almost everyday. and deameon im also thinking of a way to use points better, so i dont think that betting thing would last long, itd be fun though. also dont you know what Triumph is??

[Vatican Assassin]

sumpsons most kills for mvp is much better than it is for rating, you don't always get more kills by camping, but you awlays get less deaths, so deaths should not be in the equation. Daemon is right, can't have the winning team stay on, the games are too long, you will almost never have all 8 players staying for 2 games. can't make mvp cap, cuz usually they won't want to. better if the MVP gets the option of being cap next game. that would be cool for wbduel and basing

about this betting idea, it could be money. literally, lets bet money, no not real money, subspace dollars of course, make up some gayass term like spacebucks. earn money in go base and wbduel go javs and baseelim, this way there will be recorded scores from these arenas as there is in pub and TWD, but it will be different in that you incorporate the betting ideas. it could reset every 2 weeks like pub, or better yet carry over like TWD. Then, the top players get to be either captain or assistant in the basing world cup WHO'S WITH ME?!?! im gonna change this idea around until it makes sense and gets accepted so get used to it.

[Mythrandir]

For basing, I personally would rather implement suggestions that improves the team element of the game. Right now, a player's main goal is to MVP, and secondary to win. Many times, I am guilty of this myself as well. Do you think this is how it should be? Do # of kills matter more than winning?
On the other hand, we are obviously interested in individual accomplishments, and we would like to have some means of measuring it. The current rating system fails miserably, I think everybody agrees. But not only does the rating system suck, it also has a negative influence on basing.
The current (MVP) rating system did what I feared it would do (and therefore refused to make one): it defined the roles of the ships, forcing each player to play in the style it is anticipated to do. Consider that this rating system was designed back when lining was prevalent: sharks would rack up tons of kills and actually compete with spiders, in terms of kills. The rating system would be tweaked based on this role of the shark. Yet, today in the cram era, sharks have to try really hard to get 2-digit kills, and if it were for the old rating system, they would get ratings of -20000 or less. This is one example where the better strategy results in FEWER kills. And note that the invention of the cram was done by a shark (Windreaper) who actually cared more about winning the game, rather than to rack up kills and become MVP.

My suggestion would be to get rid of the rating system, get rid of MVP, get rid of Teks, get rid of flag takes. These are all meaningless numbers devoid of context, force players to a particular style of play which is NEVER optimal for their team.

The only semi-decent way to get a decent evaluation of an individual by looking at whether his team has won or whether his team has lost - that is the only thing that matters.

(edit)
I forgot to comment on the ideas I found interesting.
1. The one by the OP to keep the winning team in play until they lose. I am not so sure whether the winning team cares enough about staying and defending its honor, though.
2. Winning streaks for caps. Love that one.

[Static Burn]

What would be nice is to have an ELO rating system for players in ?go base, like we have in TWD for squads. If your team wins your rating goes up (depending on the quality of your opponent based on their rating) and if your team loses your rating goes down (again depending on the quality of your opponent based on their rating.) The MVP and current rating is pretty pointless and I agree with mythrandir that it should be removed. Recording all the other stats (wins, loses, kills/deaths, teks, flag touches, etc.) along with an ELO rating and puting the stats up on the website would be a nice touch and make playing ?go base a little more interesting.

[Vatican Assassin]

the amount of interest which the ?go base stat posts by PL sparked is a sign that recording W/L/kills deaths permanetly on TWD.org is a worthwhile idea. it would definately make people pick line ups more carefully, play to win, play seriously, not leave mid game, not fuck around, etc. knowing that something counts, even if its just a number on a page (which is what all games are AM I RIGHT PEOPLE) can go a long ways. incorporate the scores somehow into the next basing world cup slash draft tourny slash whatever basing event we decide to make for the off season is definately the $$

[Ephemeral]

1) Stats will have to be fixed to deal with ship changes during a game.
2) Stats for some ships need to be included. For example, sharks. RPD would be a good start.
3) Any ideas on how to 'reward' other aspects of team play? How about greening? I have rarely heard anyone other than a terrier appreciate a shark greening (not to mention piggy spiders scarfing up greens in front of their sharks desperate for another rep).

[Adoni]

Mvp

The way the MVP system is set up, lets terrs get MVP, and not just Spiders, Javs, and WBs. So, I think its pretty alright. We know nothing will be perfect.

However, to add on to the ideas about saving the MVP's or announcing them, I think that since TW has the ability for bots to save information and send it to a server and be placed on a website we should use it.
Each game, the players' stats will be saved (Kills, Deaths, Rating, TKs, and TEKS) and posted under their profile on twd.trenchwars.org, or eve on a section of trenchwars.org.
At the end of each month, or week have the best ranking terr, sharks, spiders, javs and wbs come out and have an 'all-star' game or even tourny.
That tourny could even go into the thread about a new BWC.
(with the draft players ranks could be pulled from their ?go base stats)
just an idea