Maximum Resolution

[roxxkatt]

i demand that max rez be GONE.

poor ppl suck, let me use my 30000x20000 monitor....

[Spider]

I strongly disagree with keeping the cap. I'm really tired right now though so I might be very articulate. Maybe I'll just do point form.

It was implemented in 2000. That's 7+ years ago. In the real world thats a long time. In the computer world that is ancient. For one thing if you look at any monitor being sold now, they are all widescreen format. Finding a 4:3 LCD is just as hard as finding a new CRT. It's just the way the world is now. Granted not everyone is going to buy a new monitor today but the point is the world has changed. Widescreen is rapidly becoming the standard and is infinately more common today than it was 7 years ago. So why do we have a 4:3 restriction? That's goofy.

Regardless of what people say (the radar shouldn't be redundent) the cap was (and still is) completely 100% about "fairness". Radar v being able to see the entire map, and how the person with a higher res had an advantage. Nobody in the TW community was concerned that they realized their radar was hardly getting used and demanded a cap so they were forced to rely on it. Come on. Get serious. Are you telling people people with the hardware to go higher wanted a cap because they really felt radar hard to be part of the game? PriitK? He hardly ever played and when he did he spent most of his time laming people in pub. Which is fine. But it doesn't make him an authority on the resolution restriction. We all respect what he did for SS (saving the game) and the fact that he continues to pay for it but the resolution restriction should be discussed by the players.

What happened to my jot notes? That was a rant!

It was all about warbird dueling anyway. So if you must keep it limit it to TWLD where it matters and take it out everywhere else.

Even seven years ago this was controversial. Today it is just plain nuts, when you consider that hardware has advanced greatly.

7 years ago it wasn't about everyone have the same resolution like it is now. Who is running at less than 1280x1024? Almost nobody. It was about preventing some people from using 1600x1200 when others were stuck with 640x480 or 800x600. If everyone had 1280x1024 seven years nobody would have cared that a few people had 1600x1200. That isn't such a big difference.

Honestly I don't understand how we can be having a debate about this. A restriction based on computer hardware shouldn't be static over the course of 7 years. That's just dumb.

Lets just take it off. Because at this point, where would you raise it? The next logical step is 1600x1200 (1680x1050 since widescreen is standard now). If anyone wants to go higher than that, fine. At this point even with everyone running 1280x1024 we can see as much of the screen was we need to in order to be competitive with anyone regardless of their resolution. At this point it is just a matter of not having the picture stretch on a widescreen monitor or having giant pixels because we're using 1280 on a 22" monitor when 7 years ago we were using it on 17" screens.

Come on guys, it just makes sense.

Now I am going to bed. ZZzzzZzzzzz

[Ewan]

This is a copy of the post I made in a similar thread in the private staff forum:

can't play higher than the max of 1280x1024.

Look at the Valve hardware survey which is from between May 2007 and August 2007, so fairly up to date.

85% of people have a 4:3 aspect ratio (i.e. not widescreen)

Around 75% of the people who have a 4:3 aspect ratio size have a monitor of 18" or less. I.e. 25% of these people would gain an advantage from increasing TW's maximum resolution.

Sure, this is a survey of Steam users, not of Continuum players, but I think it gives a fair idea considering the huge numbers of players who took part (More than 1 million).


Anyway, my opinion is that we should keep the maximum resolution how it is.

[Money]

I strongly disagree with keeping the cap. I'm really tired right now though so I might be very articulate. Maybe I'll just do point form.

It was implemented in 2000. That's 7+ years ago. In the real world thats a long time. In the computer world that is ancient. For one thing if you look at any monitor being sold now, they are all widescreen format. Finding a 4:3 LCD is just as hard as finding a new CRT. It's just the way the world is now. Granted not everyone is going to buy a new monitor today but the point is the world has changed. Widescreen is rapidly becoming the standard and is infinately more common today than it was 7 years ago. So why do we have a 4:3 restriction? That's goofy.

its hard to go to the store and buy a monitor? since when? all the stores here have 4:3 AND widescreen, even walmart...not to mention pawn shops, newspapers....they are everywhere. widescreen is far from being standard :>

and as far as a 4:3 restriction i agree on that its stupid, maybe if a resolution of similar size but for widescreen was allowed that wouldnt be bad at all, just NOT LARGER RESOLUTIONS

[Soul Survivor]

I strongly disagree with keeping the cap. I'm really tired right now though so I might be very articulate. Maybe I'll just do point form.

It was implemented in 2000. That's 7+ years ago. In the real world thats a long time. In the computer world that is ancient. For one thing if you look at any monitor being sold now, they are all widescreen format. Finding a 4:3 LCD is just as hard as finding a new CRT. It's just the way the world is now. Granted not everyone is going to buy a new monitor today but the point is the world has changed. Widescreen is rapidly becoming the standard and is infinately more common today than it was 7 years ago. So why do we have a 4:3 restriction? That's goofy.

Regardless of what people say (the radar shouldn't be redundent) the cap was (and still is) completely 100% about "fairness". Radar v being able to see the entire map, and how the person with a higher res had an advantage. Nobody in the TW community was concerned that they realized their radar was hardly getting used and demanded a cap so they were forced to rely on it. Come on. Get serious. Are you telling people people with the hardware to go higher wanted a cap because they really felt radar hard to be part of the game? PriitK? He hardly ever played and when he did he spent most of his time laming people in pub. Which is fine. But it doesn't make him an authority on the resolution restriction. We all respect what he did for SS (saving the game) and the fact that he continues to pay for it but the resolution restriction should be discussed by the players.

What happened to my jot notes? That was a rant!

It was all about warbird dueling anyway. So if you must keep it limit it to TWLD where it matters and take it out everywhere else.

Even seven years ago this was controversial. Today it is just plain nuts, when you consider that hardware has advanced greatly.

7 years ago it wasn't about everyone have the same resolution like it is now. Who is running at less than 1280x1024? Almost nobody. It was about preventing some people from using 1600x1200 when others were stuck with 640x480 or 800x600. If everyone had 1280x1024 seven years nobody would have cared that a few people had 1600x1200. That isn't such a big difference.

Honestly I don't understand how we can be having a debate about this. A restriction based on computer hardware shouldn't be static over the course of 7 years. That's just dumb.

Lets just take it off. Because at this point, where would you raise it? The next logical step is 1600x1200 (1680x1050 since widescreen is standard now). If anyone wants to go higher than that, fine. At this point even with everyone running 1280x1024 we can see as much of the screen was we need to in order to be competitive with anyone regardless of their resolution. At this point it is just a matter of not having the picture stretch on a widescreen monitor or having giant pixels because we're using 1280 on a 22" monitor when 7 years ago we were using it on 17" screens.

Come on guys, it just makes sense.

Now I am going to bed. ZZzzzZzzzzz

Excellent Post.... Well Thought!

[Money]

Excellent Post.... Well Thought!

not really.

[Exalt]

still think its a bad idea, keep the resolution as it is, this game relies more on resolution than any "normal" games out there... it doesnt matter if your on 800x600 or 1280x1027 in an fps, its still basically the same, just prettier with one res, on this game it changes everything being able to see more of the map, and its not a good thing, it makes the game unfair

i for one will find that yet another reason to quit this game if you change the cap, im not going out to buy a brand new high res monitor just to play subspace

[Saturn V]

Increase it FFS, or at least let in 1440x900.

I don't know what idiot decided that 1440x900 was more than 1280x1024, but it isn't.

[Doc Flabby]

Personally I HATE with a passion the widescreen moniters i've used. Trying to do any document and coding work (which benefits from having equal height to width) is annoying. I can't understand what possses people to but them... (apart from for watching movies...but isnt that what a widescreen TV is for :P). 1440x900 is one of the worst reselutions :P Effectily is like going back to a 15" screen at (1024x800) which is a bit wider, fuck that.

Also 1280x1024 = 1,310,720 pixels
Also 1440x900 = 1,296,000 pixels

I feel sorry for the people with that resultion i don't think it gives them any advantage. so they could be allowed imo.

[Spider]

its hard to go to the store and buy a monitor? since when? all the stores here have 4:3 AND widescreen, even walmart...not to mention pawn shops, newspapers....they are everywhere. widescreen is far from being standard :>

and as far as a 4:3 restriction i agree on that its stupid, maybe if a resolution of similar size but for widescreen was allowed that wouldnt be bad at all, just NOT LARGER RESOLUTIONS

My point is that the resolution restriction is a 7 year old invention. What was the "average" monitor 7 years ago? A 17" 4:3 CRT monitor that supported lord knows what crappy resolution. You can argue about the prevelance of widescreen format screens if you want but I really don't see how you can argue with the fact that technology has changed greatly in 7 years. That is my point. We aren't playing a boardgame we're playing a computer game.

As I said in my point the intent was never to create an entirely level playing field where the resolution restriction capped everyone at the lowest common denominator. It was meant to prevent the few of us that could go above 1280 at the time from doing so. That meant using 1600. If you compare 1600 lines to, say, 800x600 as many people were still using back then it was alledged that it made warbird dueling extremely unfair. The restriction doesn't harm competitiveness in anything else because everything else takes place in a base where you can see almost the whole damn thing anyway with 1280 and it's so cluttered something happening on the other side hardly matters anyway (compared to being "strayed" by someone really far away from you in a WB duel anyway).

I'm just describing inflation. I don't see the controversy. Things change over time. And most of you are saying "hey, I can still only get 1280". Well that was never the point. The point was with 1280 (especially in a base) you can compete fine with my if I am in 1600. I don't understand why you people feel you need to force everyone to use whatever resolution. It wouldn't harm competitiveness, even in WB dueling, in my opinion. We could just keep in TWLD though if people really want to, since that is the only place where it would matter. I don't understand why you want to force me to use a resolution I don't want to use.

The native resolution of a very high percentage of widescreen monitors is 1680x1050, lets raise it to that. But, as I said before, when we get to a certain point (I'd argue that 1280 is that point, and the problem with 7 years was that we weren't all using 1280 many of us were still using 800x600 or whatever) it doesn't matter anymore. Seeing more doesn't give you an advantage once you reach a certain level because things are too far to matter anyway, and if you were looking to see whats going on at the far edge of your screen in 1680x1050 resolution, especially in a base duel, you're just looking out into space far away from the flagroom anyway. Just take it off. It doesn't make sense anymore.

Also, just because you can pick up a 4:3 at a pawn shop doesn't mean widescreen isn't the standard already (or very rapidly becoming it). Just thought I'd point that out... In fact, it probably does mean it is becoming the standard. WalMart probably still sells VCRs but you wouldn't argue that DVD is the standard right? You can't rent a VHS tape anymore... ...unless you're at a pawn shop, that is.

[Spider]

Only reason why it should be changed that I can see is that people have better/bigger monitors these days. But it's good as it is I think.
And what if you don't have a new monitor?

What if you have a monitor newer than, say, 9 years old? When the restriction was made 7 years ago it was made at a time when the average age of a monitor was, what? 9 years old or something? Maybe more. Do you understand what I am saying? Because at the time it was made, the whole population of TW didn't go out and buy a monitor the day before.

So 7 year old resolution restriction, means it was made for monitors that were on average 9-12 years old or something today. Are you saying nobody has bought a new screen in 9-12 years? As I said before, you're all confusing this by thinking "hey wait a minute, I still have 1280!" Well the point is, 7 years ago you were using 800x600, not 1280. So those of us with newer hardware (who were a vastly smaller percentage of the population at the time) were forced to use 1280 instead of anything higher (1600). Which at the time, especially in wb dueling, would have been unfair. Now that everyone is using 1280 those of us that can should be allowed to use 1600 because it really doesn't harm you ability to compete anymore.

[Money]

my monitor was manufactured in april of 2007 it is a 19" LCD 4:3..,like i said and like flabby said and saturn said, allow 1440x990 or w/e it is it is no advantage it only allows them to play full screen correctly, so allow it plz thx, but does continuum even allow that resolution? i have show default resolutions and i dont see it on there, maybe thats cuz mine isnt widescreen?

[DankNuggets]

i don't see what all the whining is about. 7 yrs ago i had a 17" crt that went up to 1280x1024 and all was fine. now i have a "newer" 15" lcd that only has 2 resolutios: 600 x 800 and 1024 x 768. i switched it out a year ago and i don't think it's made the game any harder, actually it forces you to use your radar more...

go ahead and up the limit, everyone's got a better resolution than me already, it won't make them any more skilled and they won't be any better except for the occassional stray.

if you want to make the game more "fair", make the lag restrictions ridiculous so that everyone can sit in spec and watch me play with their fancy 24" wide screen monitors...

[Nockm]

Other zones seem to do just fine without a res limit. Only TW decided to dream this up, with other amazing ideas such as Mr. Arrogant.

It looks pointless though, I never knew so many people were up for keeping the limit. I'm of the mind that if you can't be bothered to spend just a SMALL amount to upgrade your gfx card or monitor, you deserve to get owned in internet spaceship combat anyway. fucking pikeys

[Nockm]

This also wouldn't help a new player who decides to check out this continuum game, only to find that the only way it can be played is by stretching every pixel horribly. Wow, this continuum game looked fun on the website but it was right about being really old-school; I think I'll go back to playing counterstrike.

Way to help the population