Maximum Resolution

[Spider]

Yeaaa Nockm! Finally someone with sense. And by sense I mean someone with the same opinion as I have. Nice.

[Money]

lolz

[Saturn V]

[Static Burn]

Other zones seem to do just fine without a res limit.

But they don't do as well as Trench Wars. TW has about twice the population as Extreme games, and a lot more than any of the other zones. I think that the resolution limit is a big reason why TW is by far the most populated zone, because it allows many more people to play on an even playing field.

PriitK? He hardly ever played and when he did he spent most of his time laming people in pub. Which is fine. But it doesn't make him an authority on the resolution restriction.

I remember playing against PriitK and his squad LAME in league games, so he didn't just play pub.

I don't understand why you people feel you need to force everyone to use whatever resolution. It wouldn't harm competitiveness, even in WB dueling, in my opinion.

So it's a fair game, decided by who has more spaceship skill, not who has the bigger monitor. 1680x1050 or 1600x1200 players would have a huge advantage over those on 1280x1024, seeing about 35-45% percent more of the screen does that.


I can see why allowing 1440x900 would make sense, since you don't want to alienate players with widescreen monitors, which are becoming more and more popular. However, despite it being slightly lower in total pixels I think it may be an advantage over those with 1280x1024. This is because the horizontal resolution is significantly higher, and a player could angle it so they keep their opponents to the left or right of them, making it easier for them to dodge them/aim at them. Players with 1280x1024 would have no way of knowing their opponents are using this widescreen resolution, where as players using widescreen are going to know most of their opponents are using 1280x1024. So if you're going to allow 1440x900, at least program the bots so you can enter a command which shows a player's resolution (which would be nice anyway.)

[Hakaku]

You guys live too much in the past, I doubt noobies come in TW thinking "Oh goodie! The reso is only 1200x1024, I might have a chance!!11". -- The popularity of TW has nothing to do with resolutions; and most people won't realize there's a quota if their resolutions are under the maximum.

I can still own at 640x432, and 800x600 on my computer. Allowing a larger resolution doesn't actually give you a far better advantage, just allows you to see better. Where it would give a disadvantage would be in games such as zombies (twcity) and the whatnots, but I haven't seen anyone bring up this point yet.

Windowed mode is just as gay as stretching pixels, so it's not a better alternative, especially when Continuum's default is fullscreen (most noobies won't figure out how to change this at first).

But seriously, other zones fair just fine without any restriction. Popularity as I said has nothing to do with it, most starters choose the most populated zone to enter anyways, not the underpopulated. By this factor it's easier to maintain a pop, which TW has had since Continuum was encrypted, by none other than PriitK. But TW has not seen a population increase in the past 3-4 years, while some other zones have. Which again, to say that popularity != resolution.

[Nockm]

But they don't do as well as Trench Wars. TW has about twice the population as Extreme games, and a lot more than any of the other zones. I think that the resolution limit is a big reason why TW is by far the most populated zone, because it allows many more people to play on an even playing field.

I disagree! However we are just speculating on its effectiveness, really. My opinion is that the 1-shot kills and many many hosted games is more likely to be the larger factor. I even play some arenas in TW in extra-large res because they let you and guess what, I still suck.

I'll change my stance slightly though: I don't want Richie Rich coming into TW with a 4096x3072 resolution sniping base from the south safe, or from corner to corner of elim; the res-cap does a fine job of avoiding that situation.

I would however just appreciate the res-cap being increased. It makes no sense for a cap based on the state of technology in the 90s, to remain the same in 2008.

[Money]

i think this is more a matter of widescreen users being able to play full screen correctly..and not having to play windowed...some ppl want larger yes..but fuck them it IS a disadvantage in TW, EG there is no advantage in having a larger res cuz the bombs and bullets disappear half way on 1280..

[Doc Flabby]

Also 1280x1024 = 1,310,720 pixels
Also 1440x900 = 1,296,000 pixels

It could be increased to at least allow 1440x900. You can see less with that res that with 1280x1024

[Soul Survivor]

The reason why I made this thread is because, I bought a 22 inch widescreen lcd (HP2207). When It use it to play this game, everything is streched and dosen't fit correctly. When I had a KDS VS-21 I enjoyed playing because the game, it was much eaiser. The angles are weird on this monitor compared to the CRT.


I talked to Pure_Luck last night and he said they would have a vote on it after TWL.

[Heroin Bob]

It would be unfair!

your basing claims on fairness?


that would be like savanger having to dd Style and saying "but its not fair"

[Spider]

It's going to be very difficult to win the vote even though voting in favor of the restriction is d u m b. We need to start fundraising... And someone call Oprah.

[death row]

I still use that bulky, 19" CRT lol. But you're right, when you go to Best Buy, you'll no longer see those sitting on display. If you want to buy a monitor in the store, they're pretty much all those lcd models. As for the res cap being taken off, I'm on the fence with that one. Not sure if we should take it off, or keep it on. Here are a few pro's and con's of taking the cap off:

pro- it will probably add a lot of interest in the game again. for instance, say if it was increased to 1600x1200, a lot of people would be curious to play on that res just to see what kind of impact it truely can have. most likely, a positive impact in their ability.

pro- i think it will help guard against a lot of strays that tend to rain on people. you'll probably feel comfortable rushing more, since you have more space to react with a stray bullet flying. Speaking from a WB's point of view, of course.

con- 1280x1024 has been the basic standard. its like the saying, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it." and imo, I think the res has been a fair standard for many years.

con- yet, there are still people who wouldn't be able to access to higher res amounts over 1280x1024. my monitor will allow it to get up to 1600x1200. and let me tell you, if i have that res, and you have a 1280x1024 res, you are going to be at a huge disadvantage versus that. which again, goes back to the fairness issue.

in conclusion, perhaps no change might be the best move. trust me, i would love to play on a higher res, but that would be selfish of me. because i know that a no res limit can really screw a lot of people over.

[Krazie_Killer]

Go here and vote.

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=31972

[Stompa]

i don't think the fairness issue is a logical argument. should we ban aussies because they have a lag advantage? The resolution advantage doesn't outweigh a lag advantage, in my opinion, but I realize I am kind of in the minority in my opinion.

Another thing is, for basers it would make very little difference. for Duelers it would be a big difference.

What also bothers me is the inconsistency here. I can play in ?go javs at the maximum resolution, but don't know of any other popular places where you can do that...the limit is 1280x1024 everywhere else. Have we heard anyone complain about resolution advantages in ?go javs? And why should go javs be allowed to have max resolution while baseelim doesn't?

[Noah]

i don't think the fairness issue is a logical argument. should we ban aussies because they have a lag advantage? The resolution advantage doesn't outweigh a lag advantage, in my opinion, but I realize I am kind of in the minority in my opinion.

Another thing is, for basers it would make very little difference. for Duelers it would be a big difference.

What also bothers me is the inconsistency here. I can play in ?go javs at the maximum resolution, but don't know of any other popular places where you can do that...the limit is 1280x1024 everywhere else. Have we heard anyone complain about resolution advantages in ?go javs? And why should go javs be allowed to have max resolution while baseelim doesn't?

The res in one arena isn't much of an issue. There's other arenas that allows a higher res as well. There isn't any serious competitive arenas that has a higher cap. This is a discussion about the general TW cap, and most importantly TWL.