Eventbot Suggestion

[DankNuggets]

If possible, could a command be added to Eventbot that allows users to see what events have been requested, and the # of people requesting each event?

I'm tired of requesting an event several times a day (trying to keep it < 1 per hour), even getting several friends to request the same event, to no avail. If the eventbot is supposed to help hosters pick events that the most people request, it'd be great to know where one stands. I'd also like to know that the same peron's request isn't taken 5 times in a row, or the same event hosted more than once or twice in a day/week.

If it's done entirely upon #'s of requests, then it would benefit those who request less popular or known events to have a list of already requested events to choose from. This would enable people who know that their event isn't going to be the most popular (and therefore won't get hosted) to vote on an event they like that has a good chance of getting hosted based upon previous requests.


This would inspire more confidence in the Eventbot, causing more people to become familiar with the system and have their voices count. Otherwise, the eventbot will still be a little used, and even less trusted "excuse" to why i can't simply ask a host to host an event. When I do ask, I've been told at least 3 times to use the eventbot. I'd rather people flat out tell me they don't like the event and won't host it than leave it up to supposed democracy when I can't even see the results of the voting.

[DankNuggets]

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[stark]

I think the point of eventbot is to give ER's or anyone else hosting a general idea of what people currently want to play. It's not set in stone, as an ER could host hockey even if there was no !request's for hockey and 13 for zombies. I mean, when it really boils down to it, a host will host what he feels like hosting. Now, I'd imagine they don't ignore eventbot, but I could get like 20 people to vote for the dumbest, shittiest event ever and even though chances are it would be on the top of the list, it still wouldn't get hosted.

I know someone on staf'll say "we always try to host the most requested events," but I'm sure that's not always the case. And chances are, if you want an event hosted that's not hosted often and most people might not have heard of, chances are you won't get enough votes to bring it to the top of the list.

Anyways, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that's a big no on letting general public check the events and number of votes.


Oh, and if you make more then one request in the same hour, I'm pretty sure eventbot replaces the previous request.

[RiiStar]

It not a bad idea, just like with anything else to do with the bots, if its implemented it wont get done straight away.
Thats just how it is unfortunatly. Plus access to RoboQueen (on priits server) is a big pain in the ass right now.

But fortunately i think Eventbot is on King so it's more likely to get done.

[stark]

It not a bad idea, just like with anything else to do with the bots, if its implemented it wont get done straight away.
Thats just how it is unfortunatly. Plus access to RoboQueen (on priits server) is a big pain in the ass right now.

But fortunately i think Eventbot is on King so it's more likely to get done.

Unless it was my remote !status request TEEHEE

Anyways, I think there could be drawbacks to having something like a !viewrequests command. Here's the way I see it happening:

NOT A REAL LOG
:Eventbot:!request hunt:in mini dm 'cause i like 'em small
(EventBot)>Your request for hunt has been registered and forwarded to staff.
:Eventbot:!viewrequests
(EventBot)>Hunt : 13
(EventBot)>Pictionary : 8
(EventBot)>ProDem : 6
(EventBot)>Hockey : 3
(EventBot)>Zombies : 2
(EventBot)>Trivia : 1
(EventBot)>Mortars: 1
And look at him go, and look at him go, he could.. go.. all.. the.. way! ?go hockey - Pastaa <ER>
?help Why is hockey being hosted when more people voted for hunt? It's unfair! MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR HUNT SO HUNT SHOULD BE HOSTED... WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE FUCKING BOT IF IT'S POINTLESS
(Helpbot)> To request an event, please type :Eventbot:!request <event>:<description>
(Helpbot)>If this does not answer your question, type !summon to summon a moderator
:Helpbot:!summon
(Riistar)>Hey.. Dunno why I'm answering a help call since I haven't in over a year, but although there is more votes for the event you have requested, Pasta decided to host hockey.
(Riistar)>stick around, hunt may be hosted later
:Riistar:wtf... then what's the point of the eventbot?
(Riistar)>afk

[RiiStar]

I suppose that is a fairly good point also :fear:
It's first priority is a tool for ER's to get an idea of whats wanted by
the public logging their vote.

As you fake log goes, that sort of backlash is exactly why it prolly isn't there in the 1st place.

Personally i think hunt should be limited, it's a lazy over hosted event -.-

[DankNuggets]

1st - thanks for responding at least, and being constructive on top of that



2nd - Stark, your analysis is pretty accurate, but it's no different that what happens now, minus the "evidence" in the form of !viewrequests.

If you request something all day (via eventbot), with other ppl requesting it too, you'd assume it might get hosted, but probably didn't get enough votes or w/e. You can find an <ER> or two, and ask them to host it. They will tell you to use eventbot (i've done this on at least 3 diff ppl). What's the point of telling me to use eventbot if you're not going to host it anyway? To waste my time and dissapoint me later when i'm expecting some results (you told me to use eventbot) when you should've just said "no, i'm busy" or "we've got other events planned"?

TBO, i don't know, or have any way of knowing, how popular eventbot is. I don't think it gets 30+ ppl using it at once, but i guess it could. I'm thinking it's more on the order of 10 votes for 3-4 events. And I know that it isn't there to get the most popular event hosted every time, that's not why I want this added. I want this added because it allows me to pick from a set of "popular" events that I would want to play.

In your hypothetical situation stark, I'd probably be the guy who voted for mortars (1 vote). However, if I could !viewrequest, I would change it to Prodem, another event that I like, which is currently being requested by several people.

And yes, if events like hunt, twisted, enigma, zombies, etc are constantly the most popular, you shouldn't still play them all the time. But mortars isn't played that often (at least when i'm on) and probably the same for a couple of other events that I'd probably be the only one atm requesting. Doesn't mean that it should be picked, but it also doesn't mean that it should never get picked, especially if it's being requested.

[Dack Falu]

I could get like 20 people to vote for the dumbest, shittiest event ever and even though chances are it would be on the top of the list, it still wouldn't get hosted.

I got Fishies3 hosted a few months ago. It was probably the only time I've used eventbot.

[Galleleo]

This command is already available for staff, it does not need to be available for public. What gets hosted depends on a lot of things. When I was still an <ER> I would check eventbot every now and then and see what is being requested. Now there is a bunch of reasons I did not host a requested event.

1. I simply did not like the event at all. Events like zombies and hunt are way overhosted. I would rarely host these events because there is tons of other <ER>s who would.
2. I never hosted it before and don't know how the event works. There is a bunch of events I never hosted and don't really care all that much about to learn how they are hosted.
3. It (or a similar event) was hosted in the last 12 hours. It is not rare for people to request events that had been hosted a couple of hours ago when they were not on, and personally I didn't like hosting the same event twice within a day.

Now you could say I was a bad <ER> for not caring about certain events, or not hosting them and only hosting certain other events. The way I look at it, was that I served a corner of the market if you will, with events that they and I liked. Now when I host an event that I actually like myself I will be much more enthusiastic and overall probably better at hosting it than if I host events I don't really like. There are a whole bunch of <ER>s who have different likes and so it wasn't like certain events don't get hosted because no one liked them. I was mainly focused on the javside of trenchwars, while for instance Attacks did a lot of wbs and HMS did a lot of hunt/zombies/obscure events.

In the end, I don't think it works to force events upon ERs, they will start disliking hosting and just pretend to be afk or give half assed hosting. There is enough different ERs out there to get every type of event hosted. Eventbot gives in indication on what the public wants and it is helpful, however adding this option would give the public means to pin ERs down on certain events and kind of force them to either host what is requested or just pretend to be afk until something comes along they think is interesting.

From my experience, ERs do pay attention to the eventbot and generally do host requested events.

[DankNuggets]

Fine, if you say it's working, i guess it is. There's no way i can dispute you, you have all the evidence.

Once again, what a roundabout way to say "i don't want to do ..."
This is pointless, something that people were saying from the start. I gave it the benefit of the doubt, got a couple events hosted initially, then nothing for the past month or so. I now have to agree with them.

This is stupid. Why can't I ?help please can someone host this, since you admit it's almost pointless for me to request something on eventbot. (it'll only get hosted if the host wants to do it or it's frickking hunt). I don't understand why you'd pick people to be hosters if they'll only "fill a niche" with the events they host. Maybe that's the new way of doing things.

Look, I just want a "yes/no/maybe in a bit" answer. There's really no frickking point to me requesting an event day in/day out, or even at all. Maybe it's the same outcome with eventbot and ?help -- both get <ER>s to see that someone wants the event. The difference is, with a ?help, i get a response. With eventbot, i get days of annoyance and lose faith in the system as no one hosts the event, no one explains why they won't host it, no one acknowledges that they even considered hosting it. If you're worried about spamming help channels, it's simple: you're already not allowed to do it, so it would apply to hosting requests as well. One request at a time, if they spam the ?help, do what you'd do already.

FTR, who are the <ER>s that I should be looking for who might actually host the following events, so that maybe I'll be able to convince them to personally host something. Even though the few times I've even asked anyone, they've immediately told me to use eventbot.


Mortars
Shrap
Large basing games (like 30 ppl in boki)
prodem evol
strikeball
zombies in little used arenas

These aren't the most obscure events, so i'll acknowledge that maybe they are getting hosted when i'm not around. Then is it so much for someone to respond that "It's already been hosted today, wait till tomorrow or w/e". I feel that's the quality response that I'd get from a ?help call, that doesn't get addressed in the current system.

[DankNuggets]

In the end, I don't think it works to force events upon ERs, they will start disliking hosting and just pretend to be afk or give half assed hosting. There is enough different ERs out there to get every type of event hosted. Eventbot gives in indication on what the public wants and it is helpful, however adding this option would give the public means to pin ERs down on certain events and kind of force them to either host what is requested or just pretend to be afk until something comes along they think is interesting.

I agree for the most part. I don't want to "force" <ER>s to host an event. I just want to know IF it will get hosted so I can stick around or go do something else.

I know that some people would pretend to be afk, feign not knowing how to host it, etc. However, I'd also hope that those people would be more willing to simply say "No" and be nice enough to include a reason (though i guess it's not necessary). I also hope that's not the type of people you recruit. Why would you want to be an <ER> and not want to host? Especially since they don't do anything within staff but host. If they're busy, let them say so or don't sign on with the tag. There really shouldn't be a lot of <ER>s on that aren't willing to host. Liken it to a police officer off duty -- they don't where the uniform so that people don't expect them to do there job.