Distension discussion

[jngy slate]

Wrong Again.

[DankNuggets]

insight

also, they get bored because they only play 1 ship.
did i mention i have 9?
pick another ship

pretty much. i mean people will get bored for different reasons, not trying to deny that. But for most of the complaints, they are bored because there's nothing new for them to try out.

Part of the fun of distension was getting to try out abilities that you couldn't use in TW (sharks with bullet, thor, etc). Now that people have tried them out, they are bored because there's nothing new.

If that's the case, you will always get bored because you are setting yourself up for failure. Eventually, everyone will max out everything.

That shouldn't be the only reason the game is fun. It's fun because it's trenchwars. It's a basing game, a soccer game, and a leveling game all in one. If you're only enjoying one aspect (leveling) then you're kidding yourself if you think there's any way to keep the game fresh.

One way to extend the feeling of new and exciting abilities is to play all of the ships. This is still chasing the dragon as far as I'm concerned, but it will keep you somewhat happy in the short term.

I don't understand why people only play one ship... especially when the team often needs people to change ships.

If you enjoy playing pub, base, strikeball, or any of the other similar arenas then you should continue to enjoy distension after you've "maxed" out your ship.

I enjoy playing pub just for the simplicity of it sometimes, and you could just as easily play distension like that (if you weren't blinded by your RP grind to "max" out your ship and upgrades).

Could also play for the basing aspect, to win a flag game. I also enjoy playing for that reason (why i shark when i'm 2 kill from upgrading on levi).

You could just like to overpower people and rape in a ship (why ppl like to play cloak/LT a lot). That's probably the easiest thing to do.


Basically, I'm just suggesting that you take it a little less seriously when you play. Don't get so upset that you didn't level up... if you must get upset do it because: 1) you suck and can't kill anyone, 2) your team sucks and can't win a flag game, or 3) everyone else is a laggot/newb

You guys sound pretty hagrid, like you've been playing this non-stop for some time now and need a break. I don't think you need to not play necessarily, but maybe take it a little easier when you do. Make it your goal to have fun, and not to simply rank up and unlock upgrades.


as a side note: the energy and recharge upgrades that's "all you have left to look forward too" were once the envy of everyone who played. that's one of the reasons qan made them automatic... b/c everyone bought them right away, and tried to get as much as possible. I wouldn't take them for granted, and I'd probably rather have them than the upgrades you've been playing so hard to unlock. Thor is nice, better recharge/more energy is even nicer as it's there all the time.

[project dragon]

Common sense suggests that players may be too busy to realize this.

Common sense suggests it should always be safe to assist if there is an imbalance big enough for the bot to call for assists.

We have lost 2 games in a row and the bot wants us to assist their weaker team! Let's go ! !! !

But I guess if you want me to be pseudo-ly constructive, I guess you could try make it so the bot won't ask the strong losing team to assist based on certain criteria (Your team has 2 terrs/sharks, something like that). Then it pretty much is your team's fault that you are stronger but still suck, or maybe it will make people play other ships.

[DankNuggets]

We have lost 2 games in a row and the bot wants us to assist their weaker team! Let's go ! !! !

But I guess if you want me to be pseudo-ly constructive, I guess you could try make it so the bot won't ask the strong losing team to assist based on certain criteria (Your team has 2 terrs/sharks, something like that). Then it pretty much is your team's fault that you are stronger but still suck, or maybe it will make people play other ships.

In addition to accounting for terrs and sharks, maybe the asisst code could be modified to also accout for hold time. That way, if a team is weaker on paper, but still has >50% of the flag hold time that round, there is no call to assist.


You make a good point about a team deserving to lose, one that we talked about when coming up with a good algorhythym for "team strenght". Instead of relying soley on team strength, or modifying the calculation of it, it could also rely on the hold %.

[KuNi]

The reason im not bored of the game is because I play a new ship when I get bored of it, and also I only play twice a week :annoyed: . I started as wb, got bored at about level 25, so I decided to try get weasel. Got it, played it and terr for a while, go them both to about lvl 40, then got bored of them, played spid to level 20 and now trying to get my shark leveled up.
I can't see how people can play 1 ship to level 50 and not get bored. Try a new ship, or alternate between ships each round. You could have 5 level 30 ships instead of 1 level 50+

[Peace_Maker]

Liz I want to keep my ship how it is. I have worked up to this point and want to leave it. If I want a challenge I can change ships or ask for my ship to be reset.

[TagMor]

No, that wasn't the situation at all, but since you want to bring it up I'll be happy to correct you. Tagmor was on the losing team that had no terr, complained there was no terr, and then 10 seconds later "assisted" the winning team that had 2 terrs. There's no fucking way you can tell me that's not assist abuse.

Everytime the bot requests a team to assist somebody does, yet I am the only person to have been banned for it, and banned twice.
Stop being a pathetic douchebag Stab. It's quite obvious you are abusing your mod powers for personal reasons, and actually get somekind of enjoyment from it.. It is also quite pathetic, and indictive of what must be a sad existence for you outside of this game.
Not only do you ban people out of personal spite, you have been speccing yourself during basing matches, and only participating in Ballgames.
Grow up, sad little nerd.

The game is out of control lately.

This.

[jngy slate]

The Game Is Out Of Control With Whiners.

[Liquid Blue]

Everytime the bot requests a team to assist somebody does, yet I am the only person to have been banned for it, and banned twice.
Stop being a pathetic douchebag Stab. It's quite obvious you are abusing your mod powers for personal reasons, and actually get somekind of enjoyment from it.. It is also quite pathetic, and indictive of what must be a sad existence for you outside of this game.
Not only do you ban people out of personal spite, you have been speccing yourself during basing matches, and only participating in Ballgames.
Grow up, sad little nerd.


This.

why the fuck are you still in the fucking topic

you've run off in a little bitch rage like 3 different times in the past 10 pages

[Stabwound]

We have lost 2 games in a row and the bot wants us to assist their weaker team! Let's go ! !! !

But I guess if you want me to be pseudo-ly constructive, I guess you could try make it so the bot won't ask the strong losing team to assist based on certain criteria (Your team has 2 terrs/sharks, something like that). Then it pretty much is your team's fault that you are stronger but still suck, or maybe it will make people play other ships.

Yes, I already suggested a bunch of things like this to qan. Everyone knows the way the bot handles assists is flawed, and that's why we ask the players to use common sense. Just because the bot says there's an imbalance doesn't mean there IS one. This is common knowledge. If your team has just lost two games in a row, has only one terrier and then the bot asks you to assist the other team, I think it's quite clear that it shouldn't actually be doing that. Yes qan knows that the way assists work is flawed, and that's why he instated the "DO NOT ABUSE ASSIST" rule.

There is a rule right there in the F1 menu of Distension: DO NOT CONSISTENTLY USE ASSIST TO THE DETRIMENT OF YOUR TEAM.

Also, it should be noted that the only person that's been punished for this is someone that constantly, beyond doubt, hops to the other team because their original team sucks. People (well, really just one obsessed Australian) are making a huge deal out of this and it really isn't one. Really, the majority of Distension players have been pretty good about the whole assist thing.

The bot definitely needs to take into account things like previous round wins, hold percentage, give much greater strength to a team that has 2 terriers, greater weight difference for sharks/terrs, less weight for low ranked ships, not allowing people to "assist" away from a team that has only 1 terr, etc. The only thing the bot looks at is the very flawed "strength" of each player which is a very poor representation of how good the team actually is. Until then, use common sense.

[Viruk]

There is a rule right there in the F1 menu of Distension: DO NOT CONSISTENTLY USE ASSIST TO THE DETRIMENT OF YOUR TEAM.

Unless you play very badly any assist you make should be to the detriment of your team.

So clearly you must not assist consistently. :unsure:

Note to self: Need coin to flip for my assist decisions.

Definitely the assist system needs some tweaking: Recently I turned up late to a session, quickly jumped in, saw an assist message telling me there was a 200+ point imbalance and immediately assisted for a 1500RP bonus. Only then did I notice that the first battle hadn't even started yet and the imbalance was there because most people were still in spec waiting. Clearly there was no detriment to my team as there was nothing much going on and I hadn't been there long enough to be consistent but I didn't deserve any RP for such a pointless assist.

I suggest limiting assists to when your team has a sector hold or a goal advantage before adding more complex balancing algorithms.

[Vergilius]

There is a rule right there in the F1 menu of Distension: DO NOT CONSISTENTLY USE ASSIST TO THE DETRIMENT OF YOUR TEAM.

Also, it should be noted that the only person that's been punished for this is someone that constantly, beyond doubt, hops to the other team because their original team sucks. People (well, really just one obsessed Australian) are making a huge deal out of this and it really isn't one. Really, the majority of Distension players have been pretty good about the whole assist thing.

The bot definitely needs to take into account things like previous round wins, hold percentage, give much greater strength to a team that has 2 terriers, greater weight difference for sharks/terrs, less weight for low ranked ships, not allowing people to "assist" away from a team that has only 1 terr, etc. The only thing the bot looks at is the very flawed "strength" of each player which is a very poor representation of how good the team actually is. Until then, use common sense.

And stab, let the record show that i assisted 3 times after every time i DC'd. I never hopped back to my prev freq voluntarily. I dc, reconnect, re-enter my ship and got placed back on the OLD freq, hence why i assisted again to be on the freq i was on the whole time. I've put many hours in the beta testing of this, i would be one of the last to abuse the system.

So before accusing me of abusing !assist, look a little more into it, kay? thx

[pissed of post, because having to reconnect while playing dist pisses me off, and wrongfully accusing isnt really helping the mood.]

[jngy slate]

I Messaged Ome Of The Mods, Users, And Qan About This. And Also Posted It In The Chat And No One Helped. I Haven't Been Getting The Rp Sharing Messages In My Terr. I've Noticed It's Been Like This Since Rank 53 When I Upgraded The Rp Share To 9%. I Tried To Scrap And Reupgrade And That Didn't Fix It. Next Time I'm Going To Try To Scrap It Once And Keep It Like That For A Game.

Note That I've Only Said I Haven't Been Receiving The Messages. I Might Still Be Receiving The Rp. I Have Not Checked. I'm Thinking Of Using !p Or !s And Then Not Killing Anyone For Like 10 Minutes And Checking My Rp Again. I'll Do That Sometime.

EDIT: QAN RESPONDED AND SAID IF I DISABLED KILL MESSAGES, THEN THAT ALSO DISABLES RP SHARING MESSAGES. AND I DID SO THAT'S IT.

[getting pwned]

I Messaged Ome Of The Mods, Users, And Qan About This. And Also Posted It In The Chat And No One Helped. I Haven't Been Getting The Rp Sharing Messages In My Terr. I've Noticed It's Been Like This Since Rank 53 When I Upgraded The Rp Share To 9%. I Tried To Scrap And Reupgrade And That Didn't Fix It. Next Time I'm Going To Try To Scrap It Once And Keep It Like That For A Game.

Note That I've Only Said I Haven't Been Receiving The Messages. I Might Still Be Receiving The Rp. I Have Not Checked. I'm Thinking Of Using !p Or !s And Then Not Killing Anyone For Like 10 Minutes And Checking My Rp Again. I'll Do That Sometime.

Why the hell are you allowed to type? Fucking annoying..

[TagMor]

Ima say this again because I would like to see Stabwound try and explain it:

Every single time the bot calls for Assist, somebody obliges, yet I am the only person to have been banned for it, and banned twice.
So out of the hundreds of times the bot has called for assist, the two times I did it are the only two times it has been "abusing"?