Distension: the future of Trench Wars

[Downfall]

i think this shit will die because its all the opposite of tw spirit.

tw spirit was allways like "most talented player wins"

now with distension bullshit its like "biggest no life nerd wins".

So you only gotta play all the time to get a higher rank and be powered ?

dont think it will work for long time.

This right here.. I go to distension n see the same ppl in there like everysingle time. Broke fucks cant buy WoW so they put a shitty version of it on tw. Get distension the fuckkkkkk out of tw.

[dako]

There's a whole zone devoted to that (Hyperspace), and quite frankly, its not very newbie friendly. Not until d1st0rt gave me free $ to buy stuff with, basically starting with 0 gives you a huge disadvantage as there is nothing to balance the level extremes.

This is not hyperspace by any means, other than the RPG ship building aspect, the goals and methods of achieving them are completely different. When you start in hyperspace, you can unload your entire energy clip on a high level spider / whatnot and not even come close to killing them. At least in distension, a level 0 warbird can still at the very least get some kills, you dont have to go 8-75 like everyone who starts in hyperspace does. When I got done playing lev and started with spider (at rank 0) yeah I was hella slow and people were zoom zooming pew pewing faster than me, but I was still able to get a 1-2 ratio for the first 5 levels, and then go pretty even after that.

There is very little in distension seperating a rank 50 warbird from a rank 80, and about 100x more time put into the rank 80.

[CaptainPoopface]

Distension is fun, but I also do not think it should be the focus of TW. I agree with others that it should be an event or maybe its own league. Pubs are the lifeblood of the arena, and the complexity of distension is too daunting for new members (and too much hassle for some players).

Here's how I break it down:

Maintaining or expanding player population is our most significant problem. That means recruiting new players, and keeping old players.

Good things about Distension:
- Something new for people who might be tired of the old stuff
- Rewards people who play a lot
- Allows some customization of ships
- 2 bases + soccer makes more varied game than regular pub

Sucky things about Distension:
- Pain in the ass to learn all the commands
- Requires spending a long time in crappy underpowered ships ("Biggest no-life nerd wins")
- Arena is too big for smaller populations

In short, I think it's good for some older players and not good for most new players. Therefore, I think it should not become the new pub or focus for TW. We can find a way for it to co-exist with pubs just like leagues do.

I suggest making it weekends only, or every Wednesday + Saturday, and reset every 3 months instead of every 6.

I believe it is critical to maintain the simplicity of pubs as they currently are. It's the fundamental appeal of TW.

[Money]

Distension: The Death of Trenchwars



true story

[HateTheFake]

Distension: The Death of Trenchwars



true story

sad but true

[Dwopple]

sad but true

agreed.


i didnt really read anything. distension is basically a rip off of the zone SSCE Hyperspace. with the RPG like play and shipbuilding etc. there is a reason that Hyperspace's zone population is.....10 right now. the zone has been around for years and i was once a mod there. Like someone said the reason ppl stop playing is because of the resets. Distension is killing TW, move it to its own zone or go play hyperspace....the map is better anyways.

[Doc Flabby]

Personally i hate distension.

The reason i started playing Continuum is preceicly because it IS NOT AN RPG. You can just get in an play on a level field with other players....no fucking about. You can't get better by playing longer...only by playing smarter. Precicely the same reason i don't play WoW or any of those other crappy games where you exchange time for skilll.

EDIT: Just realsied schope summed it up much better than me

i think this shit will die because its all the opposite of tw spirit.

tw spirit was allways like "most talented player wins"

now with distension bullshit its like "biggest no life nerd wins".

So you only gotta play all the time to get a higher rank and be powered ?

dont think it will work for long time.

[Nycle]

I agree with kthx, lol.

If distension becomes the "new public" I will stop playing because I really don't want to put a lot of time in trying to get on par with other people's ships. What I like about pub is that it's truly public, meaning you can get into any ship you want and instantly participate in the game without having to work your way through lenghty and boring upgrades.

I think it's this "publicly accessible" nature of pub that makes people want to play TW pub in the first place. If you drop the whole accessible thing and start to introduce ranks, well you might as well play a game with better graphics and enjoy it more than a sucky 2d spaceship game.

[DankNuggets]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that they always have the option of not playing distension. They want to take the option of playing distension away from those that want to play. WTF

You guys realize you're coming across just like this:

"I'm mad the people who used to play in the arena I like no longer think it's top shit, and now they want to play in another arena that I don't think is top shit. So, I think the only solution is to not allow them to do what they want, and instead make them play with me so that I can have fun, even if they aren't."

"I know they'd rather play in the other arena, but fuck it, I'd rather them play with me, because for some reason I can't have fun with the other people who don't want to play distension."

<_<

[Dwopple]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that they always have the option of not playing distension. They want to take the option of playing distension away from those that want to play. WTF

You guys realize you're coming across just like this:

"I'm mad the people who used to play in the arena I like no longer think it's top shit, and now they want to play in another arena that I don't think is top shit. So, I think the only solution is to not allow them to do what they want, and instead make them play with me so that I can have fun, even if they aren't."

"I know they'd rather play in the other arena, but fuck it, I'd rather them play with me, because for some reason I can't have fun with the other people who don't want to play distension."

<_<

more like 'theres a ZONE with rpg style play, stop killing TW...the zone we all grew to love thats why we play here.'

[HateTheFake]

i gotta say, nycle, kthx, flabby, money, and even schope all said it best.

Distension will be the downfall to tw.

[Stabwound]

No, the downfall of TW will be the attitude that everything must stay the same as it's been for the past 10 years.

It is stupid for this game to try to stay on the "cutting edge of technology" by making it an MMORPG.. there are too many better versions of it on the market. We need to keep this game what it was to keep players..

Oh, and how well is that strategy working? We're down to half the population we were a few years ago. Yes, let's keep the game completely static and watch the players pour in. =\

It really bugs me when people say that we can't touch the pubs. How many people that are against this idea actually play pub? If games don't evolve and grow, they die. If you're against the idea of having Distension in pubs, then help come up with other ideas. SOMETHING must be done about them. They clearly are not fun enough to make people stick around. I'm positive that Distension would do a much better job at this than the current pubs. Do you like TWD/TWL? Well, I hope not, because pretty soon there is going to be about 5 squads. Lack of new players sticking around = less players making it into squads = less competition.

Nowhere did I ever say that this was supposed to compete with Maple Story and WoW, and it would be retarded to even consider that a possibility. The point is that Distension would make an excellent main game for TW which would, in return, help build up a playerbase again. It's never going to be a massive game. It's just something that's really fun to play, and would make people want to keep logging in to play it. I'm positive of this. There is absolutely no reason why TW's population couldn't be climbing rather than dying.

Also, this is NOT comparable to Hyperspace at all. TW already has an established playerbase. It is MUCH easier to build on an established playerbase than build one from scratch. I don't think Hyperspace should even be brought into this conversation.

[Weaver]

No, the downfall of TW will be the attitude that everything must stay the same as it's been for the past 10 years.


Oh, and how well is that strategy working? We're down to half the population we were a few years ago. Yes, let's keep the game completely static and watch the players pour in. =\

It really bugs me when people say that we can't touch the pubs. How many people that are against this idea actually play pub? If games don't evolve and grow, they die. If you're against the idea of having Distension in pubs, then help come up with other ideas. SOMETHING must be done about them. They clearly are not fun enough to make people stick around. I'm positive that Distension would do a much better job at this than the current pubs. Do you like TWD/TWL? Well, I hope not, because pretty soon there is going to be about 5 squads. Lack of new players sticking around = less players making it into squads = less competition.

Nowhere did I ever say that this was supposed to compete with Maple Story and WoW, and it would be retarded to even consider that a possibility. The point is that Distension would make an excellent main game for TW which would, in return, help build up a playerbase again. It's never going to be a massive game. It's just something that's really fun to play, and would make people want to keep logging in to play it. I'm positive of this. There is absolutely no reason why TW's population couldn't be climbing rather than dying.

Also, this is NOT comparable to Hyperspace at all. TW already has an established playerbase. It is MUCH easier to build on an established playerbase than build one from scratch. I don't think Hyperspace should even be brought into this conversation.

Can you say for sure that distension is going to be something people want to play for years to come? I have stuck around in TW for so long because I enjoy the settings, its why I am still here and not in another zone. We may be dying, but one thing I think everyone can agree upon is that the settings in TW are pretty solid. Changing the pub settings is a HUGE risk because you are changing the one of the few things that TW has going for it, good settings.

Its no secret that this game is dying, but so is every other game that is this old, I think we have fared better percentage wise than a lot of other games created around the same time as this one. In the short run, changing pubs to distension may breathe some life into the zone, but I doubt that we would have the player base we have right now if we'd been running distension in our pubs for the past 7 or 8 years.

[kthx]

Dude.. Stabwound that is because the people that have played this game for 10 years don't want to see something they have put all that time turn into some shitty circus sideshow called Distension Wars. I am not kidding when I say that I would MUCH rather see this game die three years earlier than turn into a game where Distension is the main attraction over TWL.

Sure distension is a pretty smell to cover up the rotting smell in this zone but the smell is still there, just hidden under Distension. The way you keep players in this zone is to get them involved with squads so they feel obligated to login to play games. We don't have any people coming out of the pubs to do this because new players don't understand the game, the game is so automated that they never have to think for themselves. Look at the way bot development has gone over the years and look at how the numbers have dwindled since then if you want to bring up numbers.

Bots control every aspect of the zone as soon as you enter to the point where you don't even have to ask a question, and even if you do have a question you get an automated response from robohelp.

You enter the game, get warped into base, you die, fly around for a few minutes, get warped back into base, you do a help call asking about xradar and a bot pm's you an automated response to your question. So how would you feel about starting this game now, its mechanical and cold instead of the really fun place it was when I first started. I would like to think that when I host I bring back some of the old great TW that people remember, a host who has a personality, doesn't !start an event and go afk, makes people fly to safes instead of warping them. This game has been going downhill ever since we decided to make "staffs life easier" by automating EVERYTHING. Distension is just the culmination of that mechanical cold zone that we ourselves have brought upon ourselves for years.

Trust me, Distension isn't going to bring "more life" into Trenchwars.. it is going to create brain dead morons who are so used to typing in commands to a bot more than talking to friends on a chat. Distension is the opposite of everything that made me want to keep playing this zone when I started. Staff needs to learn that you can't code fun, you can't code competition, you can't code what makes Trenchwars, Trenchwars. It just happens because we happen to be blessed by some of the greatest, most entertaining, most competitive players that any game has ever had.

[roxxkatt]

No, the downfall of TW will be the attitude that everything must stay the same as it's been for the past 10 years.

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