Pub voting system

[CaptainPoopface]

It's pretty cool. Thanks to qan and anyone else who was involved. But it could use some tweaks.

- Biggest abuse so far: Any single vote call blocks all others for the next 5 minutes. People are spamming the bot with other vote calls as a filibuster. I suspect it was implemented this way to limit calls to the bot. A couple of alternate suggestions:
Idea 1) After every vote, people automatically vote on what to vote on next time. Should we limit javs? Disallow levs? Warp in ear? etc. That way there are exactly 2 !startvote calls every 5 minutes. Also raise the time to 10 minutes, since 5 minutes is the flap of a gnat's wings in SS time.
Idea 2) Give each item on the votelist a 10 minute waiting period, where all waiting periods are mutually exclusive. So people can vote on item 1 and then item 3 back to back, but then can't vote on either of those again for another 10 minutes.

- Add limitation on team sharks, just like javs and weasels. Repel-fest gets old fast.

- Raise the jav limit by 1 ship. It's very strict right now. If possible, when javs are limited, make a queue for players who also want to jav.

- Put the !listvotes options in the LVZ or F1 help so people don't have to ask the bot what they are.

- Add a new sound that specifically signifies voting, or at least use one of the much less popular ones. People are used to ignoring all the stock sounds for event hosting while engaged in heated noob battle. I am, anyway.

[meddi]

Don't let this voting system disallow levs in ALL available pubs. I mean common...

It is all fine and good to have the 1st pub loaded w/ ear warping lev-less wannabe basers, but it really sucks to not be able to lev ANYWHERE.

[CaptainPoopface]

Well, the idea is that if more players in the arena want settings a certain way, the minority gets the shaft for 5 minutes, but they can maybe regroup for the next vote.

I could live with restricting levs, as opposed to disallowing them entirely. The same restrictions as javs currently have would be adequate for levs.

I had a great time basing with some new people in pub 0, with the timed game and all. Why was the voting taken out of there?

[Battlecat]

The system is really effective and really nice for basing in the "pure pub." I've probably had more fun in pub the past week than I ever did back when it had no restrictions.

But being an old schooler I do feel bad that players can't lev or jav or weasel somewhere in public. There still needs to be at least one pub left alone for players to play the game the way it used to be.

Voting and restricting ships in the basing pub is awesome and I really thank staff for coming up with this.

And yes, I'm back.

[Money]

shits gay, i cant tk in jav anymore. btw battlecat, way to type out your sig instead of copy paste!

[Zerzera]

I really like the voting system and I think it could have some extra options.

3:No one can kill me> disallow Brazilians based on ip

But I suggest two mayor changes to the way it's working now.

First I think you should be always able to see what votes are issuable and what the restrictions are on.

Zerzera> !listvotes
RoboGirl> You can start the following votes:
RoboGirl> #1 ....
RoboGirl> #2 ....


Zerzera> !restrictions
RoboGirl> No levis allowed
RoboGirl> Players are warped to flagroom
RoboGirl> Javelin limit to 20% of the team
RoboGirl> Weasel limit to 20% of the team

Secondly, I don't think the way votes are issued is the best way to do it. I think that every 'waiting time' people should be able to add 'startvotes' to the bot, and when the time is over, the restriction that has the most votes will be put to a public vote. It sounds a bit double, but I think it's better. Mainly because it keeps one person from hogging the system with a useless vote to can keep another setting the way he wants.

Zerzera> !vote 4
Might> !vote 2
Galleleo> !vote 2
Galleleo> !vote 2
Galleleo> !vote 2
Galleleo> !vote 2
Galleleo> !vote 2
No one can kill me> !vote 4
Da1andonly> !vote 4
M.C.>!vote 4
Next voting round starts; Vote 4 disallow levis, Yes (1) or No (2)?

[Vehicle]

I too am a fan of this newfangled voting in pubs, although I've spoken to a couple pubbers who hate it (most notably Lemmin who I'm sure will post here soon).

A couple issues with it:

The poll questions are kind of tricky and double-negativeish. For example, one of the polls is [Unrestrict Levis] or whatever, meaning to restrict levi's I would vote 'no'. Simple enough to someone who reads and is thinking, but I don't log into TW to think and when I first started voting it threw me for a loop.

I think, at least for the time being, it would be our best bet to keep one pub unrestricted. Whether it's the first pub or the second is up to you but I could forsee a time where levis and weasels were banned from both pubs and javs were severely limited. While better for basing, absolutely, this is at the same time counterintuitive to the idea of our free-wheeling pubs.

All in all: I've seen a lot more activity in the pubs over the past week, so good fucking job.

[Kontrolz]

The voting system has worked amazingly well. Some of the best consistent pubbing I've seen in years.

Obviously there should be a pub where there is no roboboy/girl but I think it's a waste to not use these new commands in the first pub where most people end up. The voting system really worked well in the first pub and I hope to see it there again soon.

[bounty]

Leave pub 0 alone..and put the voting in the second pub or get rid of it. ?go base if ya wanna live a structured playing existance and stop crying bout ship 4 already

[Doc Flabby]

One big issue i have is the questions are not neutrally worded.

They are shall we say "leading" as they would say in a court case.

Whether it's the first pub or the second is up to you but I could forsee a time where levis and weasels were banned from both pubs and javs were severely limited.

which has been the situation on a number of occasions and it sucked. What sucked more is no private freqs in pub. Please please please keep one pub free from all this crapola and just let people play....im getting increasingly sick of all this controlling shit...

Its getting to the point where you arn't allowed to have fun in pub anymore you MUST play in the CORRECT way...and the CORRECT way is BASING.

Why not stick this stuff in a subarena like ?go purepub or ?go votepub It it REALLY is that popular there will be no problems keeping it full.

[Kontrolz]

What is wrong with letting the MAJORITY of players in the pub decide how they want to play? Why should most of the players suffer while only a couple are enjoying the current settings?

All the LT fanboys I've talked to seem to forget that you can turn on levis whenever you want by voting just like you can turn on/off everything else. If you can't get the 60 or 65 percent (whatever it is) then obviously LTing at that point in time would be ruining the game for MOST of the players currently in that arena.

There is no argument against the voting system other than the specifics of it. Like the wording the bot uses, time intervals between votes, blocking other votes by using !startvote real quick on something stupid, etc. It is very difficult to make a valid argument as to why the majority of players in a pub at any given time should have to suffer with settings they don't like just so a couple people can enjoy them, whether that's private freqs, levis, timed basing, whatever.

[CaptainPoopface]

What is wrong with letting the MAJORITY of players in the pub decide how they want to play? Why should most of the players suffer while only a couple are enjoying the current settings?

All the LT fanboys I've talked to seem to forget that you can turn on levis whenever you want by voting just like you can turn on/off everything else. If you can't get the 60 or 65 percent (whatever it is) then obviously LTing at that point in time would be ruining the game for MOST of the players currently in that arena.

There is no argument against the voting system other than the specifics of it. Like the wording the bot uses, time intervals between votes, blocking other votes by using !startvote real quick on something stupid, etc. It is very difficult to make a valid argument as to why the majority of players in a pub at any given time should have to suffer with settings they don't like just so a couple people can enjoy them, whether that's private freqs, levis, timed basing, whatever.

Well said.

I think the voting system is well thought out.

However, I agree that:
- The wording is confusing.
- We should vote on what to vote on next, or be able to vote on each item independently of the others. That would end filibustering (using a frivolous vote call to block another vote call).
- A queue of some kind for restricted ships would be nice. For example, if you die in jav while javs are restricted, anyone on your team could claim jav during your respawn time. Or upon the death of a jav on your team, if you are in the queue for jav, the bot PMs you and gives you 5 seconds to switch, before offering the jav to the next person in the queue.

I don't understand why the bot comes and goes from pub 0. Is this some kind of compromise to the people who want their levi pub? Are there more bugs being worked out?

I've noticed that the vote to start or not stop the timed game is usually near unanimous. I've also noticed the night-and-day difference between the quality of the basing game, and how it changes immediately based on the presence or absence of levs. This indicates that either some of the pub 0 stalwarts are learning to like basing, or a lot of people (like me) have been unhappy with the spawn dueling and LT antics they've put up with when they want to play but there aren't enough players in purepub.

[DankNuggets]

There is no argument against the voting system other than the specifics of it. Like the wording the bot uses, time intervals between votes, blocking other votes by using !startvote real quick on something stupid, etc. It is very difficult to make a valid argument as to why the majority of players in a pub at any given time should have to suffer with settings they don't like just so a couple people can enjoy them, whether that's private freqs, levis, timed basing, whatever.

You're right, the only argument is "Hey that's not the status qou!"

[CaptainPoopface]

Please please please keep one pub free from all this crapola and just let people play....im getting increasingly sick of all this controlling shit...

Its getting to the point where you arn't allowed to have fun in pub anymore you MUST play in the CORRECT way...and the CORRECT way is BASING.

With the voting system, not being "allowed to have fun in pub" means, at that moment, more people think it's fun to play in that configuration. It's not as if something is being unilaterally shoved down your throat by a single biased staff member who won't reconsider or compromise(*COUGH*dads revenge*COUGH*big weasels). Not only is it decided by the players who are playing right now, but you get a shot at changing it up to 12 times every hour.

If it turns out that levs are getting voted out most of the time, then we should look at some kind of middle ground that maximizes and maintains our player population, so the lev diehards are not alienated. For example, downgrading lev bombs to L2 and making the ship a little more maneuverable.

[Mage]

I'm Utoom, not Mage.

I don't know how the hell you guys like this asinine voting system. It interferes entirely with the pure basing pub.

If you want no levis and still want to jav, pure basing pub is awesome. If you actually have a life and don't do squads, it's great.

If you want no levis and no javs, go to the official basing arenas. You're in the goddamn wrong place if you're going to the pubs.

If you want levis and javs, then go to the regular pub.

What exactly is this voting system providing, making the 2 pubs identical, except one is pseudo-basing? I guess it allows a few assholes to LT in the basing pub, but fuck that, it ruins it for everyone else. Try basing with an LT either wiping out your entire team with a cheap shot or their own team...when levis are active, the base and FR are nearly always empty...yeah, awesome basing action.

Again, I don't see WTF this retarded voting system is allowing. Keep it in the other pub, not the pure basing pub.

Edit: Oh. And one more thing. If you're going to keep shafting javs by allowing them to be restricted, restrict goddamn sharks, too. You think it's fun basing with 3-4 sharks constantly respawning to a terr in FR and never being able to get a goddamn shot off because of it? And have a vote to get rid of bursts, too.