Public discussion reopened.

[Kontrolz]

Every time settings get changed in a vote, you annoy people. Those players that lost the vote get annoyed. Those that are forced to play differently, change ships or who now have to dodge levs are annoyed. Annoying players is not a good way of keeping them.

Its so much simpler and more elegant to have different pubs with different settings, that way players can settle into a pub secure in the knowledge that it won't change on you in 5 minutes time, and that any effort you put into capturing flag room (or bountying up a lev if thats your kink) won't be lost.

At the moment we have two "sports areas" and every 5 minutes everyone using them has to vote whether they want to play soccer or basketball. Why not just have one soccer pitch and one basketball court and let the players go to the one they want to play? If you saw this voting system in real life, you'd think it was ridiculous....

LEM

Excellent idea, 4 years late. With the population level of pubs so low you just can't have a pub for each game type.

[Noah]

For no stated reason there are levs in both pubs again. Can you please be consistent and let us have our pure pub?

I'm going to keep bumping this thread for every time I see this just to remind you how terrible job you are doing now, and I encourage everyone to do the same.

[Noah]

One of the problems with the pubs is that we dont get an overall feedback. Most of the pubbers we talk to are in forums and some in game. to help with this I am reviving the TWBeta chat for Zone Improvement and player input as well feel free to join and invite ?chat=TWBeta. With a larger group of players on this we can get a broader perspective of where we need to go.

I just have to say it is fucking brilliant how you manage to post in this thread without actually commenting on any of the feedback you got here. Why the fuck would I want to join your chat when you are already ignoring the feedback that has been provided in this thread?

[roxxkatt]

your av annoys me...

[Kontrolz]

Noah, just do what I've decided to do. Stop putting in ANY effort in pub. Don't make it your goal to take and hold the flagroom. Just say fuck it and jav. If you're getting killed by levis too much because they are in the pub then it's time to be a levi, if you can't beat them join them. Oh and never worry about teamkilling, everybody else does it anyway.

If you follow that formula you can't go wrong. Pub is a lot more fun when you give up on it.

[CaptainPoopface]

I'd also like to submit my piss-and-moan about the current absence of purepub. Among pubbers, there seems to be a significant player population that strongly gravitates toward purepub and only grudgingly plays impure pub when pure is not available. So it's important to keep it running, or fix it when it isn't running.

It would be nice to at least get some kind of arena entry message, zoner or news.txt update if purepub is busted, why it's down, and an estimate of when it will be back online, if possible.

The pubs (bots) seem to have become more prone to breaking down in the last couple of months. Why, and what can be done to make the zone more stable? If that's beyond anyone's control, could we modify the zone settings so that when things break, the "broken" state is more fun? Since purepub has been playing second fiddle to lev pub for so long, how about purepub as the default "broken" state for awhile? Leave the timer on by default, unless a bot turns it off. In the ship settings, set the lev's InitialBombs = 0. That way, if the bot is online, it can prize levs with 3 bomb upgrade greens at each spawn. If the bot is down, levs can enjoy being a shitty blue lanc until the bot returns.

Fuck, someone needs to make me dictator for a day.

[Ivan]

1) Make ?go oldtrench3 the pub map - Less people and smaller base would up the action!

2) Remove levis, weasels, lancs, javs and wbs from pubs - Lets not give any choice to the players as to what ship they can play, force them into the "Big 3"

3) Put the cap on arena limit to 25 - More pubs available (10 per team + bots and add streaks)

4) "*kill 10" anyone who spawnkills or sits in spectator mode for more than 5 minutes.

5) Zone "%playername has captured the flag" everytime the flag changes hands.

6) Remove elims/javs/wb/javduels/tourny/etc.. TRENCHWARS IS BASING! If you want to play something other than the "Big 3", go play EG!

7) Make "?go distention and DBot" run 24/7 on weekends. Close ALL other arenas.

8) Make it so typing "?go afk" automatically disconnect you for X minutes. (You were going to be afk anyways)

9) Remove all <ER>'s. Make the good ones Mods, shit can the rest!

10) Disable pub chat in public.

11) Bring back Hal Wilkerson.

12) Turn TWL into a pyramid league and only for basing.

13) Ban anyone who whines, complains, has a suggestion, is nice, speaks when not spoken to, typos, uses incorrect grammar, swears, and flys next to another person too close!

well said, the bolded ones are vital (imo), TW needs to redefine itself as a basing zone, not dueling zone!

[kthx]

Yeah thats a good idea..... if you are purposefully trying to kill the zone.

[dads revenge]

It seems that some people are under the impression that I am or was ever in charge of pubs well your wrong. I added some fun to the pubs for a few weekends and am running the Pub Map Contest. But I am not nor ever have been in charge of pubs. and sure there will be some maps put up for a week each after the evaluation at the end of march, the new maps have been tested and the top 5 have been chosen. To be honest I expect people to want to keep the old map hell they have refused change soo much its like an infant that won't give up the sips cup. but for a little while people will give to the game map wise and pubs may be interesting enough to play again rather then the afk arena being full.

[RiiStar]

Someone lasso MMaverick and have him contact me so I can get into the dev server.

There is no offical Dev server ever since Hoch got rid of his host that SSCI was hosted from and TWDev was on...

So atm there is no server that you can join, unless u setup and run one from ur pc..

[Da1andonly]

So if dads revenge ISN'T in charge of the pubs, WHO IS? Pure_Luck? I've been doing a "?help/?cheater GET RID OF THE FUCKING LEVIS IN PUB 0 ALREADY" every day now for at least two weeks - and the responses are 90% of the time "I agree, but I can't do anything about it - and I don't know who runs the pubs".

Pub as it is now is completely fucked up.

[DankNuggets]

So if dads revenge ISN'T in charge of the pubs, WHO IS? Pure_Luck? I've been doing a "?help/?cheater GET RID OF THE FUCKING LEVIS IN PUB 0 ALREADY" every day now for at least two weeks - and the responses are 90% of the time "I agree, but I can't do anything about it - and I don't know who runs the pubs".

Pub as it is now is completely fucked up.

It seems that some people are under the impression that I am or was ever in charge of pubs well your wrong. I added some fun to the pubs for a few weekends and am running the Pub Map Contest. But I am not nor ever have been in charge of pubs. and sure there will be some maps put up for a week each after the evaluation at the end of march, the new maps have been tested and the top 5 have been chosen. To be honest I expect people to want to keep the old map hell they have refused change soo much its like an infant that won't give up the sips cup. but for a little while people will give to the game map wise and pubs may be interesting enough to play again rather then the afk arena being full.

i'm guessing you don't know who's in charge of pubs either. this is the second or third time you've posted to defend your lack of a role in the pub development, yet you haven't said who is in charge. obviously you're the only one doing any visable changes (aside from the MIA bot coders) so you should expect to receive the brunt of the feedback. you also have the power to change pub settings (ie weasel) yet you only seem to do this for your own amusement, not per the suggestions found here or anywhere else.

[kthx]

You guys act like Dads can actually do anything that 1000 people won't cry about every week (IE changing public maps) all of the crap that you want done to the pubs required new code and we don't any coders available honestly. So I would just have to assume that just because three whiners are crying on the forums that that is not a fair representation of the zone. Just like when you cry about distension it doesn't mean much either.

[DankNuggets]

You guys act like Dads can actually do anything that 1000 people won't cry about every week (IE changing public maps) all of the crap that you want done to the pubs required new code and we don't any coders available honestly. So I would just have to assume that just because three whiners are crying on the forums that that is not a fair representation of the zone. Just like when you cry about distension it doesn't mean much either.

i guess you don't know who's in charge either. i don't want to "attack" dads or anyone else, i just want to know who to talk to.

who's name do we see on the weekly news? dads'

who has been responsible for almost all non-bot changes in the pub? dads'

these changes i'm talking about - "high bounty weekends" "powerball weekend" "changing the weasel settings" are all somewhat drastic changes. If they needed coding, then it somehow got done for his ideas, why not ours?


I'm not saying he personally needs to fix the voting or the bots. I realize that's not his bag. However, he could kindly point us to that person, instead of getting defensive over something he's not even responsible for.


who do you want me to complain to? this thread wasn't created for me to keep my thoughts to myself. I'm trying to find the right person, hasn't happend yet, and this isn't the first time.

[Troll King]

Why wouldn't he get defensive when he announces the chat as a way to provide feedback and you keep asking for whoever is in charge so you can go over his head, and everyone else's?

He already gave you the proper avenue to direct your comments. Do you really feel your opinion is worth so much more than anyone else's that yours should go directly to whoever's in charge?