Late Night Pubbers Are People Too

[Liquid Blue]

You can call me and everyone else on staff whatever you want TagMor, you've repeatedly shown yourself to act in a childish and immature manner whenever a situation or discussion isn't going your way

your temper tantrums and ultimatums (this is the last time i post in this thread guyz, for realz!) are as hollow as the insecure-driven insults you hurl at people's gallery pictures

[TagMor]

Your c-grade trolling is pathetic lb, give it up kid.

Back on Topic:
Can we get somekind of formal resolution to this? Or as Maverick suggested a pole?

[Zeebu]

Your c-grade trolling is pathetic lb, give it up kid.

Back on Topic:
Can we get somekind of formal resolution to this? Or as Maverick suggested a pole?

be nicer and something will probably happen

continue to be a dick, and people will continue to not give a shit about you or what you want no matter how valid your argument might be

[PaulOakenfold]

Or as Maverick suggested a pole?

for you to sit on

[TagMor]

aww can i have a hug?

[TagMor]

So.. Since making this thread Staff had been most obliging to turning the timer on in Pub0. It resulted in late night pubbers having the option to base, aswell as basing games that involved lt's, both day and night due to the timer being left on.
This is until last night when, during the middle of a basing match, qan turned the timer off, and said he was implementing a new process of somekind.
I asked why it was turned off and cool_koen replied that some people dont like the timer on because "they like to fly around spawn killing eachother".

Sigh..
During the time when the flagtimer was on it didnt force anyone to base. There were still many people flying around spawn, around bottom safe, and lt's doing their thing.
Yet when it was turned off, it did stop people from basing. As soon as it was turned off I witnessed 3 people complain and leave the zone..
For the last 10days flagtimer has been turned on in Pub0, and the general attitude of pub0 (ie. the people who actually play in there) has been great. Yet for reasons unknown, Staff come in and stop it.
Please explain this retarded shit?

Edit: Well it seems inbetween talking to Lea and writing this post the timer has been turned on.
However, I would like to see the timer left on in Pub0 as it doesnt adversely effect anyone, and only promotes more options for those who play pub.

[TagMor]

Ok well now, after a couple of hours of intense Pub0 basing action, the timer has again been turned off.
I believe as qan had mentioned last night, a new system where the timer alternates between the two pubs, has been introduced.

IMO this is a silly idea, and here are some reasons why:

1) People in pure pub will not want to play with levs just for the timer.
2) People in levi pub will not like being forced onto public freqs.
3) Lt's are at risk of losing high bounty from suddenly being banned from private freqs.
4) Some people wont understand how the system works, and will become disinterested in a game where the settings change every few hours.
5) Not sure if it is a glitch, but atm private freqs are disabled in both arenas. This removes a whole genre of pubbing and will alienate many players.
I'm sure there are many other reasons I could think of but they should be enough.

It is really quite simple..
Leave one pub with pure settings, and the other pub with levis, priv freqs and timer turned on. As I said the timer in lev pub has no effect on people who dont want to base, it merily adds another element for those who do.

[DankNuggets]

It is really quite simple..
Leave one pub with pure settings, and the other pub with levis, priv freqs and timer turned on. As I said the timer in lev pub has no effect on people who dont want to base, it merily adds another element for those who do.

Quoted For Truth

just don't implement automatic warps and you'll be peachy

[bandcampgirl]

Wtf timer was off in pure pub for hours, completely ruined it

Leave timer on, in both, all the time

Bring back the little weasel for more intense flag saving battles. No where near as much back and forth flag room control now...no exciting Inconceivable bandcampgirl claims flag with 2 seconds left!

[CaptainPoopface]

The timer in pub 0 is great. It does not force people to base, but provides the option if people want it. I still see quite a lot of spawn duelers and LTs, but mabe 1/3 to 1/2 of people actually try to get base and hold it. So I don't see why anyone would object to the timer or want it off. Back when this was in the voting bot, I think it was almost always something like 13-0 or 12-1 in favor to start or keep the timer.

No private freqs in pub 0 is debatable. I like it, because it means the LTs cannot just constantly bomb the base for free kills, but must actually use discretion (or should, anyway). It is better for basing, especially in conjunction with the timer, yet still allows LTs to do their thing. However, LTs will probably never agree with changes that mitigate their power and their race for bounty. I can also see some logic in the notion of tight-knit teamwork among private freqs. This is probably more contentious than the timer issue and should be resolved with player feedback, and not the usual half-blind speculation.

The purepub timer should never be removed. An arena with no levs and no timer alienates the basers and the LTs, two of the three main contingents of pubbers (the other being spawn duelers), so I can't understand why this would be tried. It already has its own arena and is called Elim.

[Teh Super]

Just saying that the alternating of the timed pub is a retarded idea. Please get rid of it ASAP.

Agreeing with TagMor and CaptainPoopface: keep the timer on in both pubs at all times. Also, keep priv freqs on at pub 0.

[TagMor]

When is this shit going to end?? It is obvious NOBODY is enjoying the alternating timer, and whenever a mod changes it, it just goes back to alternating after 3hours.
Apparently it needs the code removed.. qan was on 5 hours ago, yet nothing was done about it.

[DankNuggets]

i remember him talking about doing this several months ago. the only reason it's alternating is an attempt at a compromise. he assumed (and i did too) that people would be willing to change pubs to play with the timer. what he didn't forsee is that it had other affects (such as no levi/no base condition mentioned above).

I think the actual idea was to just switch pub 0 and the purepub with all settings included... not just switching which pub had the timer. This was the compromise to having people automatically inserted into levi pub or purepub (pub 0 being the proverbial golden apple).

I don't know if it was just a miscommunication with the intent on actually switching the pubs, or if he just decided to switch half the content. Personally, i think it would still function OK if it fully switched them (ie pub 0 no levis and timer, then switched to levis and no timer) though i think the timer is beneficial for all pubs. But as it is now, where the settings don't switch when the timer does, it doesn't accomplish any of the goals set forth with the compromise.

[CaptainPoopface]

Well, alternating which pub people get put in by default when they log in is a reasonable idea. It could alternate every player, or just switch every day. But I don't think there is ever a time, especially in purepub, when people engaged in a base battle would want the timer to stop, so there is no longer any particular incentive to hold or take the flag for any span of time, and no demarcation between rounds, no 90-second breaks. It's been a real parade pisser lately when this has happened.

I also don't think the LT players and some lone wolf warbirds like being forced into public teams, where they have 50% fewer players to shoot at. I like it because it's better for basing, but that's my bias. The current(?) paradigm of one pub with a timer and no levs, and another pub without restrictions and an alternating timer, is probably the best way to go. Because the action gets consolidated to one pub late at night, it does make sense to me that pub 0 would alternate between timer + no private freqs and no timer + private freqs. For the number of people now playing the game, that seems like a good compromise between LTs and basers in pub 0.

The timer should never be removed from purepub, nor leviathans allowed.
The presence of leviathans radically changes the character of the game and the nature of basing. Yes, I have switched pubs in order to play with a timer, and basing with levs and LTs is definitely not as fun.

Bottom line: Leave purepub as it was. Keep the timer in pub 0, or alternate it every hour or so.

[TagMor]

it does make sense to me that pub 0 would alternate between timer + no private freqs and no timer + private freqs. For the number of people now playing the game, that seems like a good compromise between LTs and basers in pub 0.

LTs like having the timer on, it provides more people in base. What they dont like is no private freqs.
I actually enjoy basing with LTs. If the pub has the right mix of players it can provide really intense battles.
Also, a flag timer with private freqs allows a group of friends or a squad to come in and take base on a private freq.