Public Committee 2.0

[Kontrolz]

Sorry if you think I'm an idiot. I'm just looking at pub now compared to the last decade. It is all over the place. YOU never said you'd be willing to try changes.

I knew I'd hear the "some of us have lives" argument. Maybe you weren't around 10 years ago, maybe you were, I don't know. But the people in charge had lives and STILL managed to give much time to this game. Also, pubilc arenas were given priority over ridiculous events that will be hosted 5 times total (assuming they are completed) like your risk idea.

I'm not bashing people for doing what they want FOR FREE. All I'm saying is, maybe it's time for pure_luck to promote someone who wants to spend their free time on helping pub instead of making useless events .

It's too bad Moot is too busy to help. He's the only person with the access necessary that has shown any interest in ACTIVELY helping public arenas. Notice how he called your ass out?

Anyway, like I said before... the public committee committee should not be revived as long as the only staff members who can enact these changes are people who either don't care (dads revenge) or can't help (mootland farmer).

Edit: BTW DOESN'T THIS BELONG IN STAFF'S LAPS?! FFS That is the attitude that is the problem with staff now-a-days.

[Liquid Blue]

Well then you need to organize those pubbers into your committee and elect a spokes person who can contact staff or is staff. Blue, Poop and Tag could be the heads of different time zones and you could collaborate with each other on the ideas that people bring to you.

Is staff- that's what we've been asking for for the past few weeks. We have had enough people with vested interest to create a committee, but there is no point if the changes we suggest will not get implemented. That is why we need someone on the committee that is staff, and that can ensure that changes actually happen. We don't need heads for different time zones or any needless layer of heirarchy- that's focusing on silly titles rather than getting actual change done in pub.

Then you could decide (as pubbers yourselves) which ideas would actually benefit the game and which are just going to piss people off. Between the three of you I am sure you know a staffer who plays pub alot or all the time that could be your spokes person and they could bring the ideas to upper staff.

I've asked Moot and he referred me to you, I've asked you and now all you're doing is shrugging your shoulders. If you don't know someone on staff that is willing to help out with the committee, just say so. Talking about how we should know someone on staff who is willing to help just sounds like you're passing the blame onto us for not getting a staff member to volunteer or join the committee.

Any ideas that can be done given the abilities of the game can be implemented on a time basis say for a week to see how they work in the zone. After that time if you three get positive feedback from the pubbers you represent then the changes will stay.

I'd rather see actual change happen than wishful thinking written out. That change can't happen in there isn't anyone on staff willing to join the committee.

The reason I would like to see the pub players do this is because they are the ones affected by it. The reason I would like to see you three do this is because the three of you seem to speak the most about the pubs.

We can talk about it until we're all blue in the face but it doesn't matter if staff is not willing to help us implement changes the public has asked for. This isn't us wondering what we have to do next or which issues to tackle, because they are not important right now. What's important is getting staff on board with the idea of a committee, before even tackling the issues that face pub (aka what kontrolz said in the OP).

[dads revenge]

As I have said I rarely pub my title is map uploader I tend to spend the first hour on fixing arenas before I get to play. I don't recall being called out to run a committee if I was I would pass as I spend quite a bit of time working on other things. I still don't know why you think I should take this on or why I don't care. I have given you a course of action and you would rather blame me then take it and somehow staff is to blame for your problems. I wish you luck in this endeavor but don't ask others to take a step if your not willing to do anything but complain.

LB if you know of an active staffer that pubs I will take this to them and see if they would take on the task but they will need public support I know there are staffers that would like to take this on and they don't need to be upper staff to have the ear of upper staff.

[Kontrolz]

You "gave" us what we already had. No staff member to help, and suggesting that we organize ourselves. Which is mostly what this thread is attempting to do.

I'm not saying you should take this on. Or that it's your personal responsibility to handle it. I was just using your attitude as an example (which is what Moot called you out on). What I'm saying is a staff member who actually wants to be a part of this should help run it. And if there is nobody with access that wants to then maybe someone already on staff should be promoted who DOES want to.

Or we can just enjoy the current chaos that is pub. At this point I'm really tired of it all. Years of seeing pubs get neglected while myself and others bring it up over and over. Still with no real change in how much attention public arenas get from staff. The argument to that is, as was already stated, "some of us have lives". Also, people will work on what they want to for FREE.

So, whoever is in charge of promoting people to smod+ needs to promote a staff member who WANTS to work on publics. Simple.

[Liquid Blue]

As I have said I rarely pub my title is map uploader I tend to spend the first hour on fixing arenas before I get to play. I don't recall being called out to run a committee if I was I would pass as I spend quite a bit of time working on other things. I still don't know why you think I should take this on or why I don't care.

I've said it before (in this thread no less) but I'll say it again- When I asked Moot if he could do it, he said he couldn't and told me to ask you. When I asked you, I specifically asked if you didn't want to do it, please let me know about any other staffers that might want to.

I'm not running around saying "you're a bad person, you play pubs all the time and don't want to help!!" I've said like 3 different times that if you can't or don't want to help, please let me know about any staffers who might want to. This should imply that I understand that you might have too busy of a life to help out, that I'm simply trying to find someone on staff who can help out.

I have given you a course of action and you would rather blame me then take it and somehow staff is to blame for your problems.

Stop running to the "oh noes they're crying" defense, you'll find I'm one of the biggest supporters of staff on this forums when people complain about you all. I haven't refused to take the course of acton (which I came to you with, it's not something you gave me) - I 've simply been asking you to help me find a staff member who can enact changes to pub, and at the same time wants to be on the committee. Nothing will change if the staff member on the committee, doesn't want to be there or doesn't want to help.

LB if you know of an active staffer that pubs I will take this to them and see if they would take on the task but they will need public support I know there are staffers that would like to take this on and they don't need to be upper staff to have the ear of upper staff.

Well here's a question for the Smods-

If a staffer that plays pubs, joins the committee and comes to upper staff with requested/suggested changes, how long is it going to take to get those implemented?

[Troll King]

I don't understand why dad's revenge keeps telling people to find someone in staff who can help. I thought that's what people have been trying to do? I think a big part of the problem is that a staff member like him posts here and he has to use a phrase like "if you know of an active staffer".

That's part of the problem. The role of staff over the last several years has been focused on events and away from pub. That's what makes a task like this so difficult. Nobody with any power to do something seems to be in a position to actually do something.

A pub committee isn't going to do squat if that doesn't get changed first. Hell, a pub committee might not even be necessary if it does.

[Kontrolz]

I don't understand why dad's revenge keeps telling people to find someone in staff who can help. I thought that's what people have been trying to do? I think a big part of the problem is that a staff member like him posts here and he has to use a phrase like "if you know of an active staffer".

That's part of the problem. The role of staff over the last several years has been focused on events and away from pub. That's what makes a task like this so difficult. Nobody with any power to do something seems to be in a position to actually do something.

A pub committee isn't going to do squat if that doesn't get changed first. Hell, a pub committee might not even be necessary if it does.

This is exactly what I've been saying (or trying to). Thank you for stating it more clearly than I did.

No public committee until a staff member with the necessary access WANTS to join in. If one doesn't exist, someone needs to be promoted.

[Liquid Blue]

I don't understand why dad's revenge keeps telling people to find someone in staff who can help. I thought that's what people have been trying to do? I think a big part of the problem is that a staff member like him posts here and he has to use a phrase like "if you know of an active staffer".

That's part of the problem. The role of staff over the last several years has been focused on events and away from pub. That's what makes a task like this so difficult. Nobody with any power to do something seems to be in a position to actually do something.

A pub committee isn't going to do squat if that doesn't get changed first. Hell, a pub committee might not even be necessary if it does.

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[Xog]

for fucks sake, u can unban me and i'll take charge of this committe and get shit done pronto. i promise i wont make all the ships into cocks and bullet graphics into cum or piss.

but i might make mines into tampons.

im a good listener and creative activist that gets things taken care of.

[Pure_Luck]

Pub Changes

Hello,

Let's create this committee and you organize it. You can invite me there and i'll help facilitate what you need. If you are going to do this you all have to be dedicated and I will support and be there too. As long as all groups of people who are affected are there, then we can talk about it.Thanks

Pure

[Kontrolz]

Thank you.

So we need to get the committee organized now.

We will need people on the committee who LT, base, warbird, and play around in the spawn.

We will need to figure out how many people would be the most effective while still getting all points of view. Then choose those people based on activeness and maturity level.

We will need a forum group and a chat for the committee.

We will need to create a process for the public committee to use to come up with, suggest, and test out ideas.

We will need to find a way to get as much feedback as possible to the committee.

So obviously the first step is, how many people should be on the committee and what type (warbirds, LTs, etc). Any suggestions?

[TagMor]

So obviously the first step is, how many people should be on the committee and what type (warbirds, LTs, etc). Any suggestions?

Why not let anyone who wants to contribute?
Make the chat local so any spammers can be booted, then have an invitation as teh welcome message when people log in?

[PaulOakenfold]

Continue the dictatorship please.

[Kontrolz]

Continue the dictatorship please.

Productive as usual paul, thanks for the suggestions.

Dads had some good suggestions for people to be running the committee. LB, Poop, and Tag. I have a feeling it's going to fall on you guys to get this thing working. I'm starting to not give a shit about this game anymore so I doubt I'll be much help. I just hope this thing gets off the ground so that when I do play, pub doesn't look like the current chaos it is.

So... LB, Poop, Tag, throw out some suggestions on people to include, how to include them and where to go from there.

[dads revenge]

the TWbeta chat is still local and was offered up for this purpose in the past.