Is Pure_Luck abusing his powers?

[Azada]

Vys used it in more then just a private arena. That is just where he was finally caught in the act. Before the client was updated certain memory editing exploits were harder to detect then the more obvious ones I.E. Infinite bursts, thors, etc. Yes, he may have been tricked into doing it.. But this isn't the US gov't, there are no rules for entrapment. If you did the deed you get punished for it.

[blackrazor]

Well, first off, I want to thank PL for paying the hosting of TW. I always thought PrittK paid for everything with all his big generous cash; I guess I was wrong. Without TW even running anymore, from lack of funds, I guess we would all have nothing about which to argue (in this thread's topic, at least).

That being said, leaders have to be very careful not to cause un-necessary shitstorms by being lazy about resolution changes, and other rules technicalities. This is especially true in league zones, even in the off season. Please learn from this; TW doesn't need more grief. An honest apology, instead of making up reasons that don't apply to round 2 and beyond, would go a long way. Leaders need to know when to step up to the plate, and admit they made an error, even if it was only accidental and negligant, not deliberate. Might want to apologize for trying to cover your tracks the first time, too. I'm not saying this to disrespect you; only suggesting it as the wisest course of action for what is best for the game. I believe our interests coincide on that point.

On the point of vys getting banned for 2 years, from using CE in a private zone, at an smod's request, to study the effects and how to best code against and document CE's capacity to mess up TW, I'm confused. I hope that isn't the whole story. Obviously CE is bad bad bad. But if someone is using it with an smod's approval or request, as part of finding ways to thwart it, that is NOT the same thing as using it in public or league arenas for competitive advantage, or to grief.

Simply put:

Using CE in public or league, or without staff approval, to cheat, gain competitive advantage, or to grief, is BAD, undesirable, and thus in the common interest to be bannable.

Using CE in private AND with staff approval, to test, learn, and hopefully thwart, or at least document what it can do to hurt TW, is NOT bad. Research into what can hurt you (with appropriate precautions) is desirable, and thus in the common interest to NOT be bannable.

[glavitik]

Coup d'état.. cutt off his fucking head

[Stylez]

I still find it funny that someone is actually paying for this server. How much does P_L pay for this? If it's over $100 I'm laughing and not stopping until I pass out. Good day.

[Golden_Aim]

I can see this from vys' view, its totally lame. What I believe vys wants to say and I also believe myself would happen is that if the roles were the other way round vys would've been banned alrdy.

I also agree that tw lacks interaction between players and staff.

Then I wanna question the upper staff social interaction leading skills. It just dont match if there are rules that SysOp have created. Then everyone else should follow em except himself. This totally takes away the crediability not only of the rules but the leader. Real leader listens to his subordinates. Leader needs to be able to admit his mistakes, face the community if he gets questioned, listen what ppl have to say. Part of being a leader is that you constantly able to prove yourself to ones that are under your lead. Just stating something with 2 sentences and stepping back behind the scenes is just very lame. This is something that internet allows which I hate personally.

I dont know whats the real thing between vys and p_l, it seems it includes something personal. Something that P_l cant take in a professional way. Lets pretend vys never played this game, would p_l act like this against someone else or is this just 1 personal case he cant get away with, i dont know. I dont know what hes like irl, but his actions in space dont make me feel convinced.

So what should we do now? Vys leaving the game alone will hardly have a big impact in upper staff actions. In real life this would be the right thing to do, no need to allow dicks to run over you plus you can face em 1 on 1 and there are other places where you can do the same. Because this is internet and a game it allows leaders act behind the scenes and not take responsibility. And it also allows weird ways to handle these kind of cases. And because there is only 1 trenchwars and 1 sysop that pays us the game, theres nothing we can rly do. Yes its sad but again its monopoly market on tw and we need to suck it up or play other zones. We just need to hope the leader realizes how wrong he is.

Vys I feel you.

[Vys]

Flared, that's why you are a jav and made no sense about the strays in twdd. All I'm saying is if he was sniping against anyone he'd be able to see them on his screen and radar yet the other players won't. So a shot what we thought could be a stray was actually an aimed shot, but we wouldn't be able to react in time because we won't be expecting it.
He's cheated in a competative league and all I can hear is "well he sucked, we shouldn't take action unless he's good at cheating. He pays 500 a month for the server so he can cheat whenever he likes. It was a mistake he didn't mean to cheat in 8 rounds over 2 days (from what we know)."
When I'm talking about my previous ban, I'm saying I get a 2 year ban for doing what a smod asked me to do in a private arena (effected nobody) and then a sys op can cheat in a competative league and nothing gets done about it. I'm getting sick of repeating myself buy no one is answering my question. People are calling me a whiner, but if anyone served 2 years for doing something that was asked by smod and the person who bans me cheats in a competative league and nothing gets done. Oh the irony.
But yeah ph close this thread, I'm nkot wasting anymore time on this shit. But I'm glad to say trenchwars has lost competative 3 leaguer over this.

[Ambrosia]

PL definitely abuses powers which is lame but it doesn't make a difference since he couldn't wb his way out of a paper bag and he definitely isn't even a top 10/15 terr in basing either.

So since he pays for so much stuff who cares, we'll start caring a little more when he has more of an impact on this game. lol @ the people all up on his cock talking about how he's a little angel and is constantly doing a lot for the zone and improving every aspect of it. Giving tourny winners pizza doesn't count.

[fLaReD]

the real question is...
who fucking cares?

edit: i wasn't planning on getting involved in this thread but the retardation that i see in some of the posters makes it irresistible. on that note: i have hardly ever talked to PL and really i dont have an opinion of him at all, nor do i give a shit what he thinks of me. whether or not he plays on 1900x1440 or w/e is pretty irrelevant to TW game play, especailly in bd where everything takes place in a 50x50ish tile screen. yes, i know this happened in a dd, but the same thing applies. anyone who is good at dd/jd can dodge stray bullets on 1280x1024. so i don't really understand why you faggots are bitching about this? get over it. if you're so bad that those extra pixels will reduce the amount of negative you go, then start learning how to dodge. if PL has been given control over the zone its not solely because of the funding he gives. i know if i gave $500 a month i wouldn't be granted sysop. when dock or priitk or whoever game him the responsibility they did, its because they felt he both deserves and can handle it. for what PL has done for the zone, it shouldn't matter whether or not he can get this sort of advantage. of course, its the PRINCIPLE, not the actual act, right? in fact, i think its MORE than fair for him to be allowed this extra res given what he has contributed to the zone even if PL did this on purpose... jesus christ get over it.

oh yeah, and for those of you who are the biggest fucking idiots on this forum saying "omg, if PL has an extra 300 pixels in bd, imagine what else he might be doing?!" if you think that PL can get away with anything besides this, you probably haven't done shit in terms of development for ss/tw. if you had, you'd realize that server errors are sent to staff members for cheat engines and that logs of all server commands are kept and can be easily accessed by other staffers of the appropriate level. believe me, if PL was doing any of the "real" cheating shit, it would be noticed. there is a check and balance system to avoid this.

god, i really don't give a shit about any of this. but after reading all of the whiny faggots bitching and moaning about this, i actually started to get worked up, which i really never do. anyways, to sum it up: quit whining like the newbs you are, and take a second to think about what you have contributed to this zone verse what PL has contributed. after you have done this, then feel free to whine about how outrageous it is that PL can see 10% more than what the rest of you can.

jesus fucking christ.

edit#2: i don't feeling like going back to quote it, buts someone said they could think of five other staffers who could replace PL. in all honesty, the only people i think who could even come close are spacehiker and witness. they are true nerds! and they understand pretty much everything about tw. but, no offense, i don't think PL could legitimately be replaced. honestly, i worry that the bitching from players like the ones in this thread will lead to PL just getting sick of this bullshit and cause him to quit the game, leading to other good staffers such as ph and humid to quit, thus depleting the already minute number of good staffers we have. on a side note: i lol at the fact that dock posting in this thread makes it seem extra important haha. no offense dock, i have never met you, but i know who you are and its just funny to me how many people are going to/have already quoted you merely for the fact that you are dock rather than because that have some actualy input.

in summary:
who fucking cares?

[Tigron-X]

[gran guerrero]

i thought it was illegal to protest bans on the forums? this needs to be locked ASAP

[Ganon-Knight]

mods lock this topic

[Cornelius]

This zone is already dead lol you people are so retarded. Everyone here including me is a retard. No one makes sense anymore and life is crazy so please, suck my virtual dick.


Lets see what happened:

Pure luck, the lazy giant head guy (must be smart), was too lazy to change resolution after the bd match. Then he went to twdd or twjd and played wiht big res since no1 could notice anyway.

However, Arobas, who tries hard to make improvements for the game that is going to die soon and that when it happens he will see he lost lots time for bullshit, made a cool thing that show players resolutions in the statistcs.

then, Burnt, who loves to play fairly and see mistakes in everything, noticed pure_luck had a bigger resolution. He tought "OH MY GOD, THE SYSOP IS CHEATING" and desesperatly ran like a chicken to the forums and made this thread.

Vys, who looked at the thread saw a great opportunity to attack Pure_luck and use irony since he cheated so much and was banned in the past.

Pure_luck saw the thread, tought for 2 seconds, and he and delectable noticed the bot record the resolution at the start of the game, not during. Pure_luck desesperatly tries to defend himself but says bullshit that get him in more trouble. So he decides to stay quiet forever till everyone forget it.

PH, whos getting crazier everyday because he doesnt know if hes male or female, doesnt know what hes talking about anymore because everything is crazy so he talks nonsense.

Dock tried to defend Pure_luck by saying that this was irrelevant but no1 did care so the argument that it was irrelevant got irrelevant itself.

And now everyone is crying and whining and this thread is getting long and people are arguing and etc etc etc


bahhhhhh.. fuck you all.. fuck you all!!!! GO EAT SHIT.

Why the hell am i writing all that why am i losing time myself GOD GOD GOD GOD

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[Delectable]

it was just a guess based solely on my experiences

my dick gets hard as fuck when vys cries

LOL, this is funny because i actually tried to visualize this in my head. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME. Geez! <_<

[PH]

it was just a guess based solely on my experiences

my dick gets hard as fuck when vys cries

[Reaver]

yea thats it