Staff needs to change

[Infrared]

What? A thread that's not about "LF/oOO.Oo ABUSE FIRE HIM"? I can't fucking believe it.

What TW needs right now is a reason for people to login during off-season. There needs to be some sort of league running year round. I'm not sure if TWDT is in the works but it needs to happen ASAP to keep people interested. The sad truth is that this zone is slowly turning into what Hockey Zone is now: Completely inactive most of the day but managing to keep leagues running year round so that people actually have a reason to log in.

Bottom line:
TW needs some sort of league running almost year round.

I'm sure this is possible, but not with the current status of staff. From an outsider point of view, staff is largely inactive. Most members are currently too busy (read: inactive) to focus on production (dev, leagues, etc.). Instead, staff is in a kind of "maintenance" mode (just make sure the zone works as is). Active members of staff who care about the game are either quitting or being axed for stupid reasons.

My proposal:
1. Staff needs to listen to the players who actually play the fucking game. Yeah I'm looking in your direction Pure_Luck, M_M God, Demonic.

2. Staff needs to open its doors to active players who want to help create/run leagues.
I propose making a new staff position for trusted players that doesn't require them to host fishies/dodgeball for months on end just to reach a position where they can directly influence league decisions. Who the fuck wants to do that besides like Johnie? When I was <ZH> a year and a half ago only like 5 MAYBE 10 people max showed up to events. Do you really think hosting dodgeball and shit is keeping this game going?

2b. Staff needs to create a position for trusted/long-time players who want to help create/run leagues.

There needs to be a way for the people who want to help with leagues to be able to do it. Possibly even an entirely new position that circumvents the whole ZH -> ER system that requires people to host retarded events attended by like 5 people for months on end, so that we don't have 3 month gaps between leagues where people log in just to afk for 3 days straight.

Thx for reading
shoutouts to Gun squadron
minus Renzi

[Aura]

First off: DT is in the works as we speak. Hopefully it will be up and running very soon. TWL will be shortly after that.

Check out this thread about my proposal for an all year round league that makes TWD actually mean something: http://forums.trenchwars.net/showthr...territory-wars

[MaGi kOz]

You have the time to post a thread of your complaints but you don't have the patience to wade through training? So you quit staff and now you have the audacity to have an opinion on staff operations? If you can't deal with the lack of turnout to your events, then how can you manage to deal with other hardships in staff? THAT'S JUST TRAINING TO GET YOU TO LEARN THE COMMANDS AND THE SYSTEM. 5 People show to your events? BOO-FUCKING-HOO. DEAL WITH IT cause if you can't deal with that, then how can we expect you to deal with anything else?

You think we should just let any old bloke who SAYS they'll make changes in staff and think that they'll do just that? Eric Is God was a recent promising recruit with many ambitions for the zone but he fell off the map. What can we do with an inactive hopeful? NOTHING. We look for hard workers, not people looking for their chance to let their opinions to fall through. Everyone has an opinion but not a single ounce of hard work to put behind it. We have promising new recruits but even they go AWOL after a month or so. You think if we just let them run major sectors of staff and the zone straight off the bat that they'll just keep it up? We need reliability and if you can't show that as a simple <ZH> doing EXTREMELY MINOR duties, then how can we expect you to do so as a leader? There is a process for a reason.

The truth is, active players don't give a shit about development. They just want to do what they want to do which is play or troll and then log off. We don't just need active players, WE NEED ROLE PLAYERS. ROLE MODELS.

The truth is, being on staff is A JOB that pays NOTHING and if anyone isn't down to put in FREE HOURS between their hours at their jobs and sleep at night, then we're going to have a damn hard time finding good help. When desperation hits, it hits hard and everyone notices cause suddenly, there's nobody on staff that anyone likes and then we find threads like this. This goes to every single ex-staff that quit because staff isn't what they thought it would be. It's YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE, A QUITTER, and have no goddamn right to criticize when you had the ability to do something about the same thing you're bitching about but gave up.

If you wanna help, quit repeating what everyone already knows about and just fucking help out. Do what you can. Even if you can't manage staff's EXTREMELY LOW EXPECTATIONS, then do what you can in pub and QUIT FUCKING TROLLING. Recruit newbies to your squad. Add nobodies to your javduels/wbduels/base matches. Have a normal conversation with someone and make them feel like this is some place that's worth coming back to. In the end, the gaming links everyone together but it's the community that gets everyone addicted.

[Reckful]

+1 for magi

[Hulk]

hosted events are pretty useless tbh... but yeah you faggots really need to re-hire the_paul back to staff thx!

[Money]

wtf? paul isnt staff? way to get rid of one of the only non useless ppl

[mtine]

You have the time to post a thread of your complaints but you don't have the patience to wade through training? So you quit staff and now you have the audacity to have an opinion on staff operations? If you can't deal with the lack of turnout to your events, then how can you manage to deal with other hardships in staff? THAT'S JUST TRAINING TO GET YOU TO LEARN THE COMMANDS AND THE SYSTEM. 5 People show to your events? BOO-FUCKING-HOO. DEAL WITH IT cause if you can't deal with that, then how can we expect you to deal with anything else?

You think we should just let any old bloke who SAYS they'll make changes in staff and think that they'll do just that? Eric Is God was a recent promising recruit with many ambitions for the zone but he fell off the map. What can we do with an inactive hopeful? NOTHING. We look for hard workers, not people looking for their chance to let their opinions to fall through. Everyone has an opinion but not a single ounce of hard work to put behind it. We have promising new recruits but even they go AWOL after a month or so. You think if we just let them run major sectors of staff and the zone straight off the bat that they'll just keep it up? We need reliability and if you can't show that as a simple <ZH> doing EXTREMELY MINOR duties, then how can we expect you to do so as a leader? There is a process for a reason.

The truth is, active players don't give a shit about development. They just want to do what they want to do which is play or troll and then log off. We don't just need active players, WE NEED ROLE PLAYERS. ROLE MODELS.

The truth is, being on staff is A JOB that pays NOTHING and if anyone isn't down to put in FREE HOURS between their hours at their jobs and sleep at night, then we're going to have a damn hard time finding good help. When desperation hits, it hits hard and everyone notices cause suddenly, there's nobody on staff that anyone likes and then we find threads like this. This goes to every single ex-staff that quit because staff isn't what they thought it would be. It's YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE, A QUITTER, and have no goddamn right to criticize when you had the ability to do something about the same thing you're bitching about but gave up.

If you wanna help, quit repeating what everyone already knows about and just fucking help out. Do what you can. Even if you can't manage staff's EXTREMELY LOW EXPECTATIONS, then do what you can in pub and QUIT FUCKING TROLLING. Recruit newbies to your squad. Add nobodies to your javduels/wbduels/base matches. Have a normal conversation with someone and make them feel like this is some place that's worth coming back to. In the end, the gaming links everyone together but it's the community that gets everyone addicted.

Am not gonna like or dislike ur post, Magi, cuz under the circumstances ppl do change and ppl do give a shit about the zone but get treated like worthless pieces of shit. Been helping TW Dev for a year now, doing all kinds of jobs that u listed above, STOPPED TROLLING, helping ppl in pub, and what I get in return? I got declined by staff like 10 times, mocked every day by staff and having to listen to LF what a lowlife I am. From this perspective, no ty, I don't wanna help someone who thinks my help is a piece of shit.

On another note tho (cuz u probably think this is a hostile post against u, which in reality it ain't), ppl shud start helping with whatever they CAN do or CONTRIBUTE to improve our zone. I know ZHs get a lot of boring events to host, so why not include some old events which even the new staffers cud host? Or maybe get a host-a-thon (which fis suggested) every weekend to get ppl attracted again and to logon more often? Give ppl in pub (that wanna help newbs if no staff availabe/all afk) some credit to prove themselves (not ZH or ER, just a PH- Pub Helper or something). So many little things can change so much, but first of all we need to stop making such bad threads and start helping each other if we want TW to survive. I, myself, am up for helping more, but the people need to change, especially TW staff, and their attitude. If people want to help, let them, don't troll them back.

[paradise!]

i am particularly perplexed by the lack of Chase2 hosting

wrong thread?

[mtine]

Mobey, grow up son and stop being such an Oranje 2 and disliking every post I make.

[Rasaq]

If TWDT is coming up soon why is it being kept so secretive? With the state TW is in now it would be best to get the word out on TWDT forums/pubs now and have a longer signup period.

[mtine]

The problem is, TWL qualifying starting soon, so I think there won't be a TWDT now, maybe after next TWL, altho other options are being discussed.

[Hulk]

no one gives a shit about hosted events u done

[Infrared]

As much as Magi's creative use of caps has moved me to the point of convincing me that hosting absolutely fucking retarded events for months just to earn a position of trust on staff is worth it in 2 thousand fucking 12, really you are delusional. The players who are knowledgeable/active enough to be staff and who have played the game for a long time don't give a single shit about hosted events. If you need to train someone, that's understandable, but helping with creating and running leagues such as TWDT requires minimal hosting knowledge (or so i've been told). What I'm really asking for is a way for dedicated players to get involved with league development, without having to go through the whole <ZH> training that consists of hosting ?go fishies for fucking 3 months straight. Wait in order to get my point across I should randomly USE CAPS. I'm not SAYING that you should make random PLAYERS SMOD, I'm looking FOR A WAY for players who ARE WILLING to help with league PRODUCTION without necessarily getting STAFF POWERZ.

In before you get super defensive over nothing and turn to insulting me when I attempt to reach out and help the zone.

Every time someone proposes a change you guys get super fucking defensive and band together as if the normal players who ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME are trying to invade you or something with their opinions and suggestions.

Myyy GOD someone save us FROM THESE OPINIONS BACK THE FUCK UP NO SUGGESTIONS ALLOWED or else we'll LASH BACK with personal ATTACKS and CAPS FUCKING EVERYWHERE

Dunno why I even bother tbh.

[Aura]

If TWDT is coming up soon why is it being kept so secretive? With the state TW is in now it would be best to get the word out on TWDT forums/pubs now and have a longer signup period.

TWL for this upcoming season needs to get sorted out before TWDT can be scheduled so we don't have an exact date yet. I think there is a high chance that everything will be sorted out by the end of this weekend though. Staff just went through a little reorganization so we're getting everything back into place as we speak.

[MaGi kOz]

As much as Magi's creative use of caps has moved me to the point of convincing me that hosting absolutely fucking retarded events for months just to earn a position of trust on staff is worth it in 2 thousand fucking 12, really you are delusional. The players who are knowledgeable/active enough to be staff and who have played the game for a long time don't give a single shit about hosted events. If you need to train someone, that's understandable, but helping with creating and running leagues such as TWDT requires minimal hosting knowledge (or so i've been told). What I'm really asking for is a way for dedicated players to get involved with league development, without having to go through the whole <ZH> training that consists of hosting ?go fishies for fucking 3 months straight. Wait in order to get my point across I should randomly USE CAPS. I'm not SAYING that you should make random PLAYERS SMOD, I'm looking FOR A WAY for players who ARE WILLING to help with league PRODUCTION without necessarily getting STAFF POWERZ.

In before you get super defensive over nothing and turn to insulting me when I attempt to reach out and help the zone.

Every time someone proposes a change you guys get super fucking defensive and band together as if the normal players who ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME are trying to invade you or something with their opinions and suggestions.

Myyy GOD someone save us FROM THESE OPINIONS BACK THE FUCK UP NO SUGGESTIONS ALLOWED or else we'll LASH BACK with personal ATTACKS and CAPS FUCKING EVERYWHERE

Dunno why I even bother tbh.

Inexperienced. Unrealistic. Immature. Ignorant. Impatient. You're too INEXPERIENCED on staff operations to be having an opinion and therefor UNREALISTIC to be providing solutions. You're too IMMATURE to be taken seriously. You're too IGNORANT to realize anything I'm saying and too IMPATIENT to take the time to. You probably didn't read a single word in my post. Was the fact that there were capitalized words in my post the only thing you picked up? Oh yah, you also picked up a sense of being offended. We're actually getting somewhere then with you. Passion can mean something for you and maybe for every other opinionated wannabe with enough initiative to write replies but none to get shit done. You wouldn't know the meaning of 'good help' if it kicked you in the balls. Find some empathy or just come back here and comment on how I write in random caps so we all know where the real issues are.

And to respond to your reply, just refer to my last post in this thread which STILL applies:

http://forums.trenchwars.net/showthr...l=1#post835879

For other aspects:

The players who are knowledgeable/active enough to be staff and who have played the game for a long time don't give a single shit about hosted events.

IGNORANCE. Speak for yourself cause the entire game doesn't encompass your tightly knitted group of friends.

If you need to train someone, that's understandable, but helping with creating and running leagues such as TWDT requires minimal hosting knowledge (or so i've been told).

IGNORANCE. We've taken in specialized help that came in simply to help out in certain leagues such as hockey league and certain parts of dev but everyone of them did NOT skip <ZH> that I know of.

What I'm really asking for is a way for dedicated players to get involved with league development, without having to go through the whole <ZH> training that consists of hosting ?go fishies for fucking 3 months straight.

IMPATIENCE and exaggeration cause specially hired <ZH>s go through the process but have access to help out in the particular leagues they came on for. ?go fishies isn't the only arena they can host and many <ZH>s have proven through activity, consistency, and trust by hosting more despite discouraging turn-outs. They normally go on to take more responsibilities. Players who've done exceptionally well and jumped through staff ranks within a few months are Best, Aura, and Reckful who are all TWD Ops and/or assistants to those who run leagues or other departments.

I'm not SAYING that you should make random PLAYERS SMOD, I'm looking FOR A WAY for players who ARE WILLING to help with league PRODUCTION without necessarily getting STAFF POWERZ.

IMMATURE. Despite having a well thought out idea, I almost completely skimmed over it because of your inability to be taken seriously. Not your fault. It might be my Caps Lock key's fault. But since I did read it, if you can provide some possible solutions to your suggestion that are viable, then maybe we can work from there in getting the ball rolling.

In before you get super defensive over nothing and turn to insulting me when I attempt to reach out and help the zone.

UNREALISTIC. Way to try and make yourself sound like a saint- A good way to get the crowd on your side of an argument. Although it may work in mafia wars or a public lynching, it may not work to actually get shit done realistically.

Every time someone proposes a change you guys get super fucking defensive and band together as if the normal players who ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME are trying to invade you or something with their opinions and suggestions.

IGNORANCE. Only someone who has actually busted out hours of work for this zone will get defensive because they are frustrated of the zone's current state and their inability to find the right path. There's no point in denying it. It's not a gem like it used to be and we feel like we've exhausted ourselves while at the same time, the pressure is only getting higher and the air is only getting thinner. It's not that your suggestions aren't appreciated, it's just that we don't know what will be the right one and what will be the wrong one and it's frustrating. Because of this and because of lynch mobs on both sides of any issue, staff will ALWAYS be the ones to get criticized and insulted from someone at any given moment or time. You quit staff so now you're on the easy side throwing the stones without anyone criticizing you until now. You may just be frustrated as well by our lack of response or inability to meet your expectations, but we're just as frustrated, if not more frustrated than you, for not responding in time or meeting those expectations. Except we're the ones who have the right to be. And if you completely miss the point of that paragraph, there is no hope for you.

Myyy GOD someone save us FROM THESE OPINIONS BACK THE FUCK UP NO SUGGESTIONS ALLOWED or else we'll LASH BACK with personal ATTACKS and CAPS FUCKING EVERYWHERE

Grow up.

Dunno why I even bother tbh.

Me too, but at least I don't give up.