Pub stuff, ideas for more than just killothon

[angry.chair]

Bring some of the basing maps to pub for a weekend. Like phatbase.

Pub and league bases should be the same. Doesn't make sense to have them different, how you supposed to get good at anything but a Spider when no one trusts you to do anything else in ?go base because you don't have experience on the official map?

Move pub circle up to the top of the map. Put TW Logo in dead center of spawn, and fill the bottom half of the map with big dueling arenas. New Jav arena please. You can keep it just enough away from top so it doesn't screw with radar, but still have it high enough to get like 6-8 solid dueling arenas on bottom.

Option to stop displaying purple box when you enter game. Just like ticker messages, I don't need to be reminded about TW facebook page everytime I log in or switch names.

Give players more control of bot. Ability to vote to turn hunt on with a cash prize. If it passes "Hunt is starting in 1 min: PM bot with !playing to be eligible for cash prize". Vote on pure pubs. Make cooldowns for starting votes an hour.

Or if instead of 8 dueling arenas at bottom, you put 5 dueling arenas then put 2 other minimaps. Like a jav DM/hunt map, and a wb deathmatch map in pub, and every hour it votes to start a new game.

Like: "PUB: Vote for pub cash event: 1: Killothon, 2: Hunt 3: DM 4: Jav DM 5: Survivor" then you could vote for the game... then it would spam like "Survivor starting in 1 min, PM Tw-Pub0 with !playing to enter game ($500 bet)" so you signup with !playing, and it says you've been entered into 500$ bet received. Then it warps you into the arena where the game will be starting and with the correct seting.

So like, if people voted for killothon, it would be normal killothon. Vote for hunt, then everyone who signs up gets warped into Hunt area on a private freq, and it plays like survivor. Could do same things for a Jav game. And to control amount of pub money, make people wager. If you make $500 signup cost, you could have huge pay out to winner without adding any new money like killothon.

I know might be hard to implement. But just trying to think outside the box. Would be fun to change things up from killothon.

[Steep]

yeah yeah but put ur input in suggestion box or it wont be read! -TW Staff

[Shaddowknight]

There;s a bunch of good ideas in here
I also hate the purple banner on entry. In windowed mode, its DEAD center and you cant see your ship.
I also support having the pub base the same as ?go base and other League Bases (it was like this for years)

Having events like Hunt in special sections of pub is another good idea, I'm just concerned with how the bots will handle it. Perhaps having TW-Pub-Events as a bot to handle such things would be the best option (as to not cause the current bots to lag from extra duties)

www.twcore.org/newticket
for some of the smaller changes, bigger changes are best left to suggest on the forums so they can be hashed out before possibly being implemented

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Moved to Suggestion Box

[Rab]

Anyone know if you can put a pubbux bounty on someone?

[Aura]

Hey, thank you for bringing these ideas up, angry. I'll try to respond to every suggestion you had.

• I like your idea about rotating the pub map, but the more we update it, the more people complain. This also causes problems for people with slow connections, and it takes them a very long time to download the map each time. Every map needs thorough testing to be proven reliable and fun for every type of player. Not every map is optimized to be a pub map in the first place. Typically, our best option is to make one map that makes everyone happy. This allows us to also develop fun new events. I think Shaddow <ER> is currently developing some great ideas for pub. You should try talking to him while he is developing a new pub map.
• I also like this idea, and it might be possible to implement this soon. The largest problem for this in the past was having a population to keep all these areas full. Thanks to our advertisement efforts, ideas like this could see themselves manifest very soon due to large numbers of players in the public arena. The only drawbacks I see right now is some confusion during low population times as to which base to go to, and a heavily increased download time for the map. During times of large download times, we actually see new players exit the game before they even finish downloading.
• The splash screen is mainly for newer players, but I think development from only the map side handled this. A solution is to simply enter the game in spectator mode. I agree with your suggestion, but it would most likely need its own bot to distinguish who has seen it before. I would like to assume that all active players are more than aware of the details listed in the splash. Currently, I personally know that I want dev efforts focused else where if this needs a whole new bot. If there is a proper and simple solution, I would also like to know it.
• Once again, this is another great idea. A vote of some sort for pure pub is a good idea. How about a pub bux bid war for pure pub every 30 minutes? If you care enough to only want pure pub, you should spend pubbux to keep it that way. There would be a minimum bid, and the default setting would be off.
• There is currently not enough room to implement more new areas to the public arena like I stated. These games could simply be played within the confines of the current map. The bot could PM you with all current players, and IMO it would make it even more exciting to have to avoid everyone that isn't playing to complete your goals. I would really enjoy to play games within pub like this.

Thanks for the great ideas! I really hope we can push towards implementing some of these ideas.

[DKFett]

Bring some of the basing maps to pub for a weekend. Like phatbase.

Pub and league bases should be the same. Doesn't make sense to have them different, how you supposed to get good at anything but a Spider when no one trusts you to do anything else in ?go base because you don't have experience on the official map?

Move pub circle up to the top of the map. Put TW Logo in dead center of spawn, and fill the bottom half of the map with big dueling arenas. New Jav arena please. You can keep it just enough away from top so it doesn't screw with radar, but still have it high enough to get like 6-8 solid dueling arenas on bottom.

Option to stop displaying purple box when you enter game. Just like ticker messages, I don't need to be reminded about TW facebook page everytime I log in or switch names.

Give players more control of bot. Ability to vote to turn hunt on with a cash prize. If it passes "Hunt is starting in 1 min: PM bot with !playing to be eligible for cash prize". Vote on pure pubs. Make cooldowns for starting votes an hour.

Or if instead of 8 dueling arenas at bottom, you put 5 dueling arenas then put 2 other minimaps. Like a jav DM/hunt map, and a wb deathmatch map in pub, and every hour it votes to start a new game.

Like: "PUB: Vote for pub cash event: 1: Killothon, 2: Hunt 3: DM 4: Jav DM 5: Survivor" then you could vote for the game... then it would spam like "Survivor starting in 1 min, PM Tw-Pub0 with !playing to enter game ($500 bet)" so you signup with !playing, and it says you've been entered into 500$ bet received. Then it warps you into the arena where the game will be starting and with the correct seting.

So like, if people voted for killothon, it would be normal killothon. Vote for hunt, then everyone who signs up gets warped into Hunt area on a private freq, and it plays like survivor. Could do same things for a Jav game. And to control amount of pub money, make people wager. If you make $500 signup cost, you could have huge pay out to winner without adding any new money like killothon.

I know might be hard to implement. But just trying to think outside the box. Would be fun to change things up from killothon.

Killothon is annoying and I like these ideas. I enjoy hunt and even conquer for example.

yeah yeah but put ur input in suggestion box or it wont be read! -TW Staff

Scumbag!

There;s a bunch of good ideas in here
I also hate the purple banner on entry. In windowed mode, its DEAD center and you cant see your ship.
I also support having the pub base the same as ?go base and other League Bases (it was like this for years)

Having events like Hunt in special sections of pub is another good idea, I'm just concerned with how the bots will handle it. Perhaps having TW-Pub-Events as a bot to handle such things would be the best option (as to not cause the current bots to lag from extra duties)

www.twcore.org/newticket
for some of the smaller changes, bigger changes are best left to suggest on the forums so they can be hashed out before possibly being implemented

I hate that banner! You may as well just spectate for a while until they get rid of it.

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Good guy.

Anyone know if you can put a pubbux bounty on someone?

I don't think we can do that (yet?) but that would be awesome!

[Shaddowknight]

the banner coild easily be disabled by pubbot for people who arent newplayers, it just needs to pm an *objoff command, and could have a simple toggle feature for players to turn it off or on

[Shaddowknight]

also, the welcomebot already does a check for newplayers, so implementing the objoff into that sould be easy

[Hack]

Anyone know if you can put a pubbux bounty on someone?

I put in a ticket for this about a week ago, but dev has been really hectic lately. Where did you hear the idea?

[Rab]

Didn't hear it anywhere.

[Ephemeral]

I assume that some of the below would require a client modification, but I’ll throw it out there anyway.

IMO the core map should stay consistent and only evolve in rare situations where it is justified. ‘Justified’ means that it has been proven, through the use of metrics, that a changed map is much more popular than the existing one. Move completely away from ‘just because someone can do something new we should implement it’ approach that has existed for years.

Ideally, there should be a ‘foundation tile’ set that stays the same. These would have most of the tile attributes that they currently have in terms of size and behavior. But the graphics should be a layer that can be changed at will by players. This should be the same for backgrounds, stars, bullets, bombs, etc. perhaps there could be switches in the client for turning on/off these elements like there currently is for stars.
All of these should be organized into ‘skins’ which would be interchangeable by any player. Every player could simply and quickly download a new ‘skin’, you might have 100 people playing with 100 different skins but all ship/weapon/base behaviors would be identical. Then give all players a tool (it could be stand alone) to customize these and publish skins.
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[angry.chair]

OK. If you can't bring new maps to pub, then could we at least keep pub base consistent with league base? So maybe one day being a "pub terr" and "trying to terr in pub" would actually mean experience, rather than just a shot at my terring skills on 'non-official' map?

And as far as 'pure pub' goes, an alternative solution to voting pure pub on or off, or bidding, maybe just sync it with map size? Small map = pure base. Bigger maps enable levs? Could even possibly make it so small map = pure base, medium gives a vote, and large defaults to on? They change often enough that it could fluxuate pretty often. I know some people hate green text in chat, but it really doesn't bother me, especially if it gives players more funtionality.

As far as the bounty, I actually heard this idea from 24 before it was posted here, I think he said Hack had suggested something like this. Like if there's a 500 bty lt, you put a pub cash bty on them? Only downside to this, in my opinion, people already stop basing to hunt LTs anyway... and, IMO, if I put up 10k, and someone else kills the LT, they get my 10k and I lose 10k, if I put up 10k, and I kill the lt, I should get double?

I do like the idea of bidding. Doesn't really matter what it is bidding for. 24 was looking for a way to decrease pub cash? You could probably go nuts with this idea... Bid for pure base. Bigger base. Bid for pub events. Could even bid for actual events to be hosted? Hell, you could even bid for a staffer to terr for a team... Just trying to think outside of box here.

As far as pissing people off with maps, IMO, so be it. I know that sounds like an ass hole thing to say, but you'll never be able to make significant changes if you're worried about making a few people mad. But if this is the case, and you're unwilling to REMOVE things, then be VERY careful about what you add to the game... or in a few years you'll have a bunch of aspects to the game and only a certain number of players like specific things, then you can't get rid of anything or you'll piss even more people off... Wait, I'm sorry, this is starting to sound a lot like politics, I'll stfu now...

[WillBy]

Sry about deleting post and all... getting used to different tools and it seemed like a fine opportunity. Keep the ideas flowing!

[angry.chair]

Sry about deleting post and all... getting used to different tools and it seemed like a fine opportunity. Keep the ideas flowing!

np, sent a ?help call for someone to delete it, edits didnt want to save the other day