Logs from Public Zone Meeting from August 8th.

[Shaddowknight]

zonemeeting(filtered).txt

Let me know how you think the meeting went. Give me thoughts an opinions. How to make it go better if we do this again. I would have liked to have given players more time for open discussions, but I didn't want us all to be sitting there for 4 hours pushing back the weekend event, and that is something I will keep in mind for any next public meeting I plan.

[Crescent Seal]

thanks i read through it all...good effort but it was terrible

Zodiark> arena with 70 ppl, and we're getting same amount of votes we would from the forums

i dont understand why the topic of changing twd resolution is being brought up again. we had a very detailed thread discussing this with conclusive results that not restricting resolution leads to unfair advantages and not a level playing field. we even compromised by allowing twdd3 to have no resolution limits and that arena is never used because the majority of twd players understand the reasoning. twd is supposed to be similar to twl in all regards and twl has a resolution limit. stop wasting time with this again by asking pubbers who rarely play twd.

[Izor]

Thank you for granting my ego one final boost before I just stop looking on here altogether. You posted like a 20 page log of the current sysops asking by far the dumbest questions possible for the 'future of the zone' like res limits in TWD that nobody plays anymore and what levi do you like. Great job.

[mtine]

Still waiting for Izor to make a normal post on these forums, but I guess it's all in vain. Oh well, it is what it is.

[Rule]

Someone could take the relevant points out of the game log and post them up. Then TW would get an actual idea of what was said.

[Kane]

^ what rule said.

Also, I understand you guys are trolls and its your job to act like someone whos daddy left them when they were five. Why do you guys complain non-stop about how staff doesn't try to communicate or listen to the community, then knock them when they try to? The meeting was a step in the right direction so calm down, no one is trying to steal your lunch money.

[Rab]

Public meeting open for all players to attend! ?go TWMeeting to get your voice in. -Shaddowknight
Okay, time to get things under way. -Shaddow
Okay, we are locking some chats to keep things more orderly. People will still have a chance to speak on things, but we would like Staff to have a few moments for our announcements first. -Shaddow
Demonic> ok guys
Demonic> not a huge amount from my side, except to thank you for coming
Demonic> and remember this is the first time we have tried this
Demonic> so we would like to have an opinion from all of you, so remember to speak to shaddow if u have something to say on matters
Shaddowkni> okay
Shaddowkni> Next up: Leagues: Reckful/KATC/dsb: Status reports on current leagues?
Shaddowkni> and upcoming.
Reckful> uh
Reckful> TWL Start date not determined yet
Reckful> Katc working on rule updates for the season
Shaddowkni> TWDT playoffs tomorrow
Shaddowkni> some plans for improvements for TWEL are also being worked on, if you have any suggestions, message KATC
Shaddowkni> ok
Shaddowkni> WillBy up next.
WillBy> Briefly, you all
WillBy> im trying to please you all for weekend events
WillBy> but im not getting NEARLY enough suggestions!
WillBy> so please, let me know what you want hosted and well get it done
WillBy> bug doesnt count fyi
WillBy> ok, back to shaddow
Shaddowkni> K A N E has some announcements regarding TW Dev.
K A N E> Many people dont know but you can join TWDev without joining staff. Dev is always recruiting, especially coders. If youre interested in more information or joining please contact me
K A N E> or you can visit http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthr...nt-Please-read
K A N E> Which is the recruitement forum post
K A N E> thats all
Shaddowkni> ok
Shaddowkni> I've got a few things that have been brought to me I'd like to cover before we open the floor to the players.
Shaddowkni> Most of the concerns have been regarding pub and overall effectiveness in newplayer retention.
Shaddowkni> We are constantly working to improve this, and we have a few people working on a newplayer tutorial (MegamanEXE working on the script for us).
Shaddowkni> I'll let mm talk about it for a moment.
MegamanEXE> ?
MegamanEXE> ok so krynetix and i are working on the tutorial arena
MegamanEXE> i've pretty much finished the script for it and we're working on developing it
MegamanEXE> we are planning on having interactive bots and other high quality features for it
MegamanEXE> basically to make the process from advertisment to download to playing as streamlined and easy as possible
MegamanEXE> so if you would like to help, msg krynetix about it because we need all the help we can get
Demonic> what type of things are you looking for mega?
MegamanEXE> this tutorial will have the most effort put into it
MegamanEXE> any kind of help would be useful
MegamanEXE> right now we're just building the tutorial area itself
MegamanEXE> i'm helping with the warp areas and design and stuff
MegamanEXE> basically to make it as fun to fly through without bogging down the player with unnecessary information
MegamanEXE> anyway, if you care about the game's survival, you need to help with the t utorial because it is our best bet in increasing population
MegamanEXE> if we can't hold people after they start playing, then advertising won't help.
MegamanEXE> that is all, thanks for your time

[Rab]

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Poll: Res cap in DD, Keep or remove
1: Keep
2: remove
The poll has ended! Question: Res cap in DD, Keep or remove
1. Keep: 10
2. remove: 11

Poll: Res limits
1: No limits
2: Keep twl limits, remove twd
3: Keep res limits.
The poll has ended! Question: Res limits
1. No limits: 15
2. Keep twl limits, remove twd: 4
3. Keep res limits.: 12


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Poll: Which levi setting do you like better?
1: The current (faster/weaker) one
2: The old (slower/stronger) one
3: I don't care
The poll has ended! Question: Which levi setting do you like better?
1. The current (faster/weaker) one: 10
2. The old (slower/stronger) one: 16
3. I don't care: 7


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Poll: Zone consolidation
1: Leave things as-is
2: Keep Javduel/wbduel and revamp Elim
3: Remove wbduel/javduel from automation but allow staff hosting
4: these all suck, I have my own suggestion
The poll has ended! Question: Zone consolidation
1. Leave things as-is: 9
2. Keep Javduel/wbduel and revamp Elim: 11
3. Remove wbduel/javduel from automation but allow staff hosting: 4
4. these all suck, I have my own suggestion: 5

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everything else was bickering

[Shaddowknight]

Thanks Rab, everytime I open tyat log file up, I just start getting a headache looking through so much text.

[Rule]

Thanks

[Shaddowknight]

thanks i read through it all...good effort but it was terrible

Zodiark> arena with 70 ppl, and we're getting same amount of votes we would from the forums

i dont understand why the topic of changing twd resolution is being brought up again. we had a very detailed thread discussing this with conclusive results that not restricting resolution leads to unfair advantages and not a level playing field. we even compromised by allowing twdd3 to have no resolution limits and that arena is never used because the majority of twd players understand the reasoning. twd is supposed to be similar to twl in all regards and twl has a resolution limit. stop wasting time with this again by asking pubbers who rarely play twd.

I brought it up because people wanted it to be discussed. As for voting, it was pretty much just to get a sample concensus on matters to see if putting up a real poll would be worthwhile (if something had swung heavily in one answer's favor, we would know to look more into it). We have taken some of the thoughts and ideas expressed and brought up into consideration, but that doesn't mean things will change, only that we will be looking to see if a change would be beneficial or well recieved before we go blindly making changes.

[Star Fox]

Three bot polls came out of this meeting? Better than nothing I guess. What about those including myself that keep repeating that levs should be limited (removed is obviously excessive). Either limit the active number at once, or even better IMO, restore years ago where we had pub rotate between "pure" basing (no priv freq, no lev) and non-pure. You can have these rotate on a daily basis, weekend basis, or even every other game. You could also have a "rock the vote" feature where players can type !override or something to PubSystem and switch between pure/non-pure if they so desire. I would spend more time basing in pub if the base wasn't getting absolutely smashed by lev bombs from every direction almost every time I go in there. I'd rather just warbird outside until I find something better to do. I brought this idea up in staff chat once and was immediately rebuked by a lot of people, so I let it go, thinking it was just me, but I see a LOT of people suggesting even removing levs altogether, so I know I'm not alone.

[Rab]

Hunting LTs is my fav thing to do in pub, so I want original LTs back.

[Crescent Seal]

I brought it up because people wanted it to be discussed. As for voting, it was pretty much just to get a sample concensus on matters to see if putting up a real poll would be worthwhile (if something had swung heavily in one answer's favor, we would know to look more into it). We have taken some of the thoughts and ideas expressed and brought up into consideration, but that doesn't mean things will change, only that we will be looking to see if a change would be beneficial or well recieved before we go blindly making changes.

The results will obviously be skewed now because even pubbers who dont play twd will get to vote.

[Crescent Seal]

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