SSC and TW Coming Back Online

[Ephemeral]

Left,
Respectfully disagree. If someone gets banned, the community should be informed. I am fairly sure that Demonic was supporting this approach a few months ago. If this is still true, are we saying that we will be able to find out that Player X has been banned for muttering the N word but we will not do the same for a person who shut down the all the zones for weeks?

And where is Council’s position on this issue? Does their opinion matter here? Who is making the decision for publishing the name? If his ban is known by others outside of TW; why risk that they will communicate the name and leave you guys looking like the assholes who wouldn’t?

Frankly even if the value is ONLY in that it prevents the continued ‘us vs. them' attitude then it is worth it. WTF would only some of the upper staff be ‘allowed’ to have the knowledge if it is known? Are the rest of us somehow lesser people? Are we saying to the player base that “you can’t handle the truth”?

But the value is more than that. Again, it is an important learning situation for everyone. One of the most important lessons is that if you act like a dick, you will be outted.
eph

[Shaddowknight]

I agree with Eph. The players deserve to know who it is that fucked up the game they have put a great deal of personal investment into (time, money, emotional, whatever). If it was down for a day, sure whatever. Its been what, almost two weeks? This is important enough that greater transparency in this matter would be nice to show. Of course, as long as we have solid proof on it.

[BooBiesYaY]

Trust me it's not a matter of not wanting to say who did it, it's all about accusing people without real solid evidence at this point. With our zone still being down, no access to logs etc to do some real investigation and the hosting company running their own investigation, it's all just speculation at this point. Safe to say is, it's imho an (old) SS player who somehow holds grudges to SSC and/or wants to see this game die.

Obviously considering TW is a highly obscure game online with only maybe 900 or so unique IP's bouncing around actively within the past several months or year, its almost obvious it has to be someone who knows of TW and has played it. It would be very unlikely that some stranger would just decide to attack such an obscure game randomly which serves no purpose.

Further, even if you did true investigating, how likely would you be able to pinpoint an individual, maybe a general location or origin, but an individual name or alias/player name i just find unlikely. Doubtful there would be any meaningful cooperation from the origins side considering its such a low level issue, the best you might get is an origin area/IP.

[BooBiesYaY]

mm god wont release that info for some reason. makes no sense to me what the reasoning is for keeping it a secret. if anything it may prevent a further attack if someone notices that person on another alias or w/e.

Its unlikely he knows. His post seems to infer that he believes its an old or disgruntled TW player, it does not specify that it is or who it is. Thus, deducing that its an old/disgruntled TW player is probably the most obvious probability.

[kthx]

I was under the impression that ddos attacks from people who actually know what they are doing are pretty much impossible to trace and impossible to stop, and that any "protections" are pretty much bullshit. So is the kid doing this some kind of newbie or what.

[Left_Eye]

While I agree that you shouldn't release anything until you have proof positive; not releasing the name of the person would be a big mistake. Unless I am mistaken, your post is making it sound like you are saying that 'don't worry about who it is, staff will deal with this'. This isn't going to fly with most of the community. We want to know who did it. We want to know that the vulnerability has been addressed so it doesn't happen again. Anything less than this will negatively impact the zone. Who did it should not be some big secret, nor is there any real legal implications.

But please don't blow this off with the 'it doesn't really matter'. It does. As you say we ALL can learn from this. For example, if I recruited this person and had them on my squad, I would want to know so I could figure out how to better screen players.
eph

Eph, who it was or happened to be won't matter in the long run because they will face a long (possibly permanent) netban for their actions. Last time someone was DDoSing our zone (not even all of SSC), he received a 1,000 day netban, if I'm not mistaken. Either 1 or 5 thousand (I forget and don't have the information in front of me). That is all dependent upon whether evidence is brought forth. However, naming a person without sufficient evidence is still wrong. Once sufficient evidence is found, they will be immediately netbanned. If BanG Ops (from all zones) do their duty correctly, you won't have any opportunity to hire them onto your squad to begin with because... well... they will be netbanned immediately upon evasion. It isn't like this person is going to be permitted to be around the SSC zones anymore. The only thing that will come of releasing the name is that people would be like "oh... so that's who did it." Nothing of real value comes from knowing who it was besides just having mere satisfaction of knowledge.

As for the vulnerability of the zone, that is determined upon what PriitK advises the hosting service does if this ever happens again. Right now staff has already made the ASSS zone which has protection unlike our subgame server used to have. Whether that has changed is up to the hosting service that runs our zone.

A name does not matter in the long run. What matters is how they attacked the SSC zones, by what means, and how that can be remedied for future instances.

[Ephemeral]

There are many individuals working on finding out who did this (with sufficient evidence against them), including myself and SSC Ops. All leads are being followed of any odd occurrences that happened before the DDoS attacks. However, until then, it is best for the general public to move on and realize that staffers are still doing their job on this issue. It is not like staff will forget this ever happened. When the individual is caught, they will be punished accordingly, and depending on how much goes on, their name will eventually surface somehow.

I guess I prefer people to have their own choice in ruining their own dignity. Going around saying "X DID IT!" does not do anyone any good. I prefer we just take this as a learning experience on what we can all do better and move on from there. This individual will be found and handled by SSC Ops and other zones' staff (as this affected everyone).

Staffers and SSC Ops will not forget what happened over this past week. You can be sure of that, especially since I'm here. So feel free to go on your happy way blowing up spaceships, and when more surfaces, rest assured that it will be handled the best way possible.

While I agree that you shouldn't release anything until you have proof positive; not releasing the name of the person would be a big mistake. Unless I am mistaken, your post is making it sound like you are saying that 'don't worry about who it is, staff will deal with this'. This isn't going to fly with most of the community. We want to know who did it. We want to know that the vulnerability has been addressed so it doesn't happen again. Anything less than this will negatively impact the zone. Who did it should not be some big secret, nor is there any real legal implications.

But please don't blow this off with the 'it doesn't really matter'. It does. As you say we ALL can learn from this. For example, if I recruited this person and had them on my squad, I would want to know so I could figure out how to better screen players.
eph

[Children]

and is always talking about Microsoft Excel.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Left_Eye]

There are many individuals working on finding out who did this (with sufficient evidence against them), including myself and SSC Ops. All leads are being followed of any odd occurrences that happened before the DDoS attacks. However, until then, it is best for the general public to move on and realize that staffers are still doing their job on this issue. It is not like staff will forget this ever happened. When the individual is caught, they will be punished accordingly, and depending on how much goes on, their name will eventually surface somehow.

I guess I prefer people to have their own choice in ruining their own dignity. Going around saying "X DID IT!" does not do anyone any good. I prefer we just take this as a learning experience on what we can all do better and move on from there. This individual will be found and handled by SSC Ops and other zones' staff (as this affected everyone).

Staffers and SSC Ops will not forget what happened over this past week. You can be sure of that, especially since I'm here. So feel free to go on your happy way blowing up spaceships, and when more surfaces, rest assured that it will be handled the best way possible.

[paradise!]

Thanks to all that worked their freaking butts off on this.

As far as finding the perp, we are so close knit at this point that not knowing who did it will eat us alive. Assuming he's an older, average/above average TWD player, and played recently, then that narrows it down to a really, really small pool.

On a lighter note, until we have evidence to the contrary, I would like to put the name Soupero forward as a likely perp. He had motive: he's European and hates America. He has the brains: he knows a lot about unicycles, and is always talking about Microsoft Excel.

bro can you finally join, would love to have you on board #experience #vet #leadership #paradise

Continue playing innocent. Keep my name out of your mouth.

i didnt mean pandora , soupero owns that one

bro can you finally join, would love to have you on board #experience #vet #leadership #paradise

[M_M God]

Trust me it's not a matter of not wanting to say who did it, it's all about accusing people without real solid evidence at this point. With our zone still being down, no access to logs etc to do some real investigation and the hosting company running their own investigation, it's all just speculation at this point. Safe to say is, it's imho an (old) SS player who somehow holds grudges to SSC and/or wants to see this game die. The rest shouldn't matter at this point. About TWLD Finals this sunday; I'm more than happy to have them played, but as I told bwp, you gotta take into account that we _might_ face another DDos attack, need to see if our new protection can withstand it and if our bots are all still running fine after this. I'm sure most of our dev would love to have a few days off after working their asses off 24/7 since our zone has been down (getting a backup zone up, working with other zones DEV etc.) and aren't really itching to fix broken TWL Bots and other things that might occur once TW is back online.
Would be nice if fierce and pandora can both have their squads prepared to possibly play the finals this sunday, but it's not at all set in stone at this point. I hope you can all understand my standing points on this.

[2pac]

The day they unban me is the day when u gonna notice pop increase recognize this m_m god.

[Crescent Seal]

mm god wont release that info for some reason. makes no sense to me what the reasoning is for keeping it a secret. if anything it may prevent a further attack if someone notices that person on another alias or w/e.

[Zeebu]

just wondering

do we know who did this? has that been found out/released?