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[Oen Izan]

LONG LIVE THE LEVI-TERRs

Why is it so hard to understand that the LEVITERR is very much a big part of what TW is about? You all claim to hate LT's yet there is always an abundance of people flying them, myself included from time to time. Ya know I have this feeling you that rant about LT's actually use them from time to time.

You know that LT's living up the base game, and you may ask Oen how so you racist pig.. Well let me tell you how, though you prolly won't agree, just becuase of my name but here goes.

1) When a freq totally dominates the base, I find it very boring after 30 minutes to try to get a base that can't be gotten. (with out help of a LT)
1a) I have also been on freqs that have dominated base and yea its boost ratings and wins but what does that really do, nothing.. but gets really boring.
2) With a private LT u add 3 freqs to the equation doubling the fun and challenge of holding base. giving both basing freq's equal chance to control base.
3) Now with a private or pub freq LT you now have to guard not only the inside of the base but the OUTSIDE (roof and sides) from attacks. Raising the difficulty level of the base game and to me adding to the fun. I feel more gratification knowing that my *our* freq can hold its own against a pub freq and a LT.. though you must also stay on top of the LT.
4) LTs either private or pub , help keep both freqs vulnarable to hostile take over, and may stop the players that constantly FREQ CHANGE to the winning side so often. Those people are what HURT the PUB BASE GAME, not the LT's

**If any thang, freqs should be limited to 3 maybe 4 per arena**

[Sydi]

Y'see, LTs shouldn't be completely banned, and Lem's suggestions don't say that they should be. He's just saying (and I agree completely) that some adjustments should be made to accomodate those players who just want to enjoy themselves, such as banning LTs from some public arenas, or just making the Terrs move slower.

However you do make a good point that having an LT outside the base can keep a team on its toes, but when you have 3 outside the base, as has happened to me, the game just isn't worth playing, as the occupyers of the base just die as soon as they attach to a terr (if that has survived)

So maybe, in addition to some of Lems guidelines, there should be a limit on how many LTs can be in an arena (don't ask me how this can be accomplished, I have no idea :S) to not only increase enjoyment for all involved, but to reduce annoying TKs from wild LTs.

[Lemmin]

Just a bit over $325 so far...

LEM

[Galleleo]

I would give you money for it too, but seeing that I dont play in the pubs, It really doesnt help me.

[poop juice]

Originally posted by Galleleo
K, I am bored so here goes:

Poop Juice> Ok, this is a stick up, put those hands where I can see them and get on the floor.
Random guy> OMG its that newbie Poop Juice.
Poop Juice> O shit forgot the mask. Anyways, put the money in this bag.
Some random laggot gets up and Poop fires some shots.
Poop Juice> OMG DIE LAGGOT YOU ATE LIKE 10 SHOTS.
Random Laggot> .?buy aim

Poop gets the money and runs, but the cops get him and later during the questioning:

Cop> Ok, why did you rob that bank? what was your motivation? You are broke and you have 7 children to feed? The goverment stole your money so now you stealing from banks? Brookus was annoying you and you needed money to get a hitman to kill him? What was it?
Poop Juice> ITS THOSE GODDAMN LT'S THEY ARE DRIVING ME CRAZY! ARGH!
Cops> Ok put this guy in the straight jacket.

LOL

[za gophar]

bad points oen. what is trenchwars all about and how do levterrs contribute to that?

trenchwars is about basing and dogfighting in a one hit kill fairly newbie friendly environment.

and levterrs dont liven up basing. lol thats frankly just plain wrong.

i for one never fly them. even if other "anti lt" people do, it doesnt mean much. they still know the zone would be better without them.

When a freq totally dominates the base, I find it very boring after 30 minutes to try to get a base that can't be gotten. (with out help of a LT)

the only reason a freq totally dominates base is because the other freq doesnt have the numbers it needs to survive in there. probably a result of lting in the first place. not to mention that Lt's ruin the game contsantly, not just when one freq is dominating base.

I have also been on freqs that have dominated base and yea its boost ratings and wins but what does that really do, nothing.. but gets really boring.

switch teams.

2) With a private LT u add 3 freqs to the equation doubling the fun and challenge of holding base. giving both basing freq's equal chance to control base.

your equation doesnt make sense.

Now with a private or pub freq LT you now have to guard not only the inside of the base but the OUTSIDE (roof and sides) from attacks. Raising the difficulty level of the base game and to me adding to the fun.

doesnt make much sense either. even if i did agree with this point i would still hate the fact that there are a couple newbies up on the roof owning everyone. with no skill. why dont we add make a ninth ship and describe it as the ship that "increases difficulty level?" it will be basically a warbird with super and unlimited thors with proximity.

your last point didnt make sense either, but im not gonna bother quoting.

even if they were valid points they still wouldnt outweigh the disadvantages of lting.

[poop juice]

i figured out a good way to get rid of lts:
first, use a group of ships to kill it, including a spider with antiwarp. then when the levi spawns kill it with wbs repeatedly. if it manages to escape have a weasel guarding every safe zone and kill the levi if it comes near. after a while the lt people will go to another arena and leave u alone

[Lemmin]

Originally posted by poop juice
i figured out a good way to get rid of lts:
first, use a group of ships to kill it, including a spider with antiwarp. then when the levi spawns kill it with wbs repeatedly. if it manages to escape have a weasel guarding every safe zone and kill the levi if it comes near. after a while the lt people will go to another arena and leave u alone

Oh I DO hope you are joking. Certainly we could do this. It would require an entire team to be dedicated to killing an LT and driving it away. But then we wouldn't be basing? Why should 10 people have to waste their time doing this, when they could be having fun basing?

To my mind, the game shouldn't be about revenge, or annoying LTs, it should be about having fun, so long as everyone else is having fun. If you are having fun AT THE EXPENSE of other peoples fun, you are basically a fun-parasite.

As several people have pointed out, I don't want to totally eliminate LTs. I want to address the gameplay imbalance that means that at the moment the game is far too rewarding and easy for LeviTerrs, to the detriment of those who are playing the game AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE PLAYED.

If staff would like to look at it another way, the people who are pledging money are offering to pay staff for the time and effort it will take to set up a solution to our problem.

Oh, and for the record, after some thought, I think the best solution from my point of view would be to have two types of public arenas, LT-allowed and LT-disallowed, and have people who join the server placed into them at random. So long as you knew which one you were in, and could change to the other sort easily, that would be cool. People who minded could change, people who didn't care could stay where they were put.

LEM

[poop juice]

but my idea is better because you can get revenge and get rid of the stupid lts for good. none of the lt fags will play tw if you hunt them down all the time. its an easy solution that requires no actual changes to the game

[Troll King]

The most annoying thing about levterrs is that they disrupt basing by bombing the base. Having an entire freq dedicated to hunting them will do the same thing: disrupt basing. Only moreso.

[Verthanthi]

1. In response to lem: two different pubs requires bots

2. in response to poop, sure but hunting levs isn't fun really. Your solution doesn't allow people to continue basing. It's not that we hate levs perse, but we hate having things interfering with basing.

[Vehicle]

Originally posted by Lemmin
Good point, REDLIGHTS... This has been suggested many times before. To my mind, it would only work if people joining the server appeared in this 'no LT' arena as standard. If people had to deliberately go there, it wouldn't be so fun, since you wouldn't get the 'quick blast' people who just logged in for five minutes, and who lend a certain random but interesting element to public basing - yes, I admit it, the newb players DO add a lot to public basing!

Ages ago, I suggested the idea of having alternately numbered pubs being either LT enabled, or LT disabled (e.g. all even numbered pubs are LT free, all odd numbered pubs allow LTs). Those who liked LTs could move if they found themselves in the wrong one, those who disliked could likewise move, and those would didn't care wouldn't even notice. Noone seemed interested at the time, although its another idea.

Thanks for the good responses so far,

LEM

Sorry to burst your bubble, but, it is impossble to have seperate pubs for seperate things, the server does not work that way. There are one set of default settings, and they are used for pub, and any other arena with out it's own cfg (settings file). It would be a good idea, but it is unattainable. There is ?go basing, it's like PBW all the time.

I hate levis, but unfortunatly, the majority of newer players are either a levi or a warbird. (polar opposites) I do not feel taking levis out of basing would be the best ofr he zone, less players is bad.

Some of your settings suggestgions are good, but, immediatly detaching of levis is also impossible. There is no choice in the setings to do such a thing. The attach bounty would be much nicer around 50, 100 is impossible to reach and you know it . The slower ship when a levi is attached idea is also unobtainable, the server only recognizes a turret is attached, not what kind it is. So you would have to make the terr slower when ANY ship attached. Bad idea. Double skinned base is a nice idea. (?go altbase) Blast radius is also nice. And for rechage, instead of slowing that down, make the bomb delay time (after you fire a bomb, the amount of time you have to wait to fire another) much longer, this way, you still get your energy for bullets or for thrusting, but you can not bomb.

[poop juice]

leviterrs suck they all need to be hunted down and banned
then pub will be good

[Vehicle]

Originally posted by poop juice
leviterrs suck they all need to be hunted down and banned
then pub will be good

Umm, I think we established that already.

[Spiderex]

if priitk gets rid of leviterrs, he will have to make new settings for the levi.