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[Eric is God]

Hehe i thought it was common knowledge in here that PriitK helped program Kazaa. Was a cool read, its a shame he didnt get rich off of it. Although being somewhat famous among the online nerd community isnt bad

[Xog]

Originally posted by Awesome
wtf?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Ephemeral]

Hmmm....so is this who we blame for sucking the bandwidth out of the internet? hehe

I take issue with some of the article. Having millions of downloads is less about have ‘good’ software and more about developing software that people want. In this case, the software is popular because it facilitates the sharing of files illegally. It may be a great piece of software, I don’t know because I don’t use it. But I can say for sure that it’s not a great achievement just because it opened up illegal file sharing to the ‘masses’.
Note that they didn’t ‘invent’ file sharing, they simply provided a Windoze interface and made it happen. Kudos to them, I’m sure they worked hard and I’m sure it’s a fine piece of work. But the article, and some of the posters here, seem to want to make this out as being an incredible innovation. IMHO, it’s not.

[MaGi kOz]

Originally posted by Ephemeral
But the article, and some of the posters here, seem to want to make this out as being an incredible innovation. IMHO, it’s not.

C'mon now eph! When's the last time you saw somebody you know on subspace in an article? Maybe it doesn't seem all that special to you cuz you said you don't use kazaa so... yah. =P

[Machine of God]

Ephemeral, I agree it is wrong to be sharing all this music without the artist getting some sort of payment, but overall I think this is a good thing. Maybe in the future we wont have these giant recording companies taking over the artists and molding them into whatever image they want. Having the ability to reach millions of people, without having to 'sell your soul' as a lot of artists have put it in the past, is a good thing.

[Spiderex]

Originally posted by Ephemeral
Hmmm....so is this who we blame for sucking the bandwidth out of the internet? hehe

I take issue with some of the article. Having millions of downloads is less about have ‘good’ software and more about developing software that people want. In this case, the software is popular because it facilitates the sharing of files illegally. It may be a great piece of software, I don’t know because I don’t use it. But I can say for sure that it’s not a great achievement just because it opened up illegal file sharing to the ‘masses’.
Note that they didn’t ‘invent’ file sharing, they simply provided a Windoze interface and made it happen. Kudos to them, I’m sure they worked hard and I’m sure it’s a fine piece of work. But the article, and some of the posters here, seem to want to make this out as being an incredible innovation. IMHO, it’s not.

WTF? in some posts apostrophies appear as some sort of.. candy wrapper thingies, just look at the above screenshot

[ÆNIMA]

And maybe without these large recording companies, there won't be any real quality music anymore. There will only be underground, and quite honestly...it is good, but it can be better. That's the original, untainted, idea about a production company, but unfortunately lawyers and businessmen get involved, and that's when you get your factory-processed music.

I don't have anything against a recording company, as long as they allow creativity.

"We didn't see ourselves as creating vehicles for pirates -- but as creating vehicles for the music industry itself and others like them," Heinla said. "

Yeah right.

Kazaa was obviously created so that people could download any music and files they want. And with the P2P connection, the government could not attack one part of the organization, like they did Napster. So instead individuals are being attacked, and props to that.

Yes, you are stealing music if you download a published recording. It's worse if you allow others to copy your files, and it's worse to download an entire CD, copy it...and sell it. There are moral and ethical issues here. Most people don't care, and I know this, but if you wouldn't steal an apple out of Food Lion because you think it's wrong...then you shouldn't download published files, even for your own personal use...it's the same thing.

I personally use Kazaa for hard-to find music (ie Tool - Divorced), and to determine whether or not I want to buy an album.

[MaGi kOz]

Originally posted by ÆNIMA
I personally use Kazaa for hard-to find music (ie Tool - Divorced), and to determine whether or not I want to buy an album.

I agree. I do that too. You won't find that crappy radio music in my folder.

[Kim]

Smack it on your resume and you've got your comp prog job ez.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

i think most of the problem stems from the RIAA thinking that raising the prices of cds and suing pirates will actually help their cause, when in fact, lowering the prices of cds and helping spread popular songs for free will encourage more people to buy cds than the current method.

i'm not about to pay $18 for some other person's cd when i'm fully intent on selling my own music for less than $10.

[Ephemeral]

Guys,
Sorry, I didnt mean to make it sound like a diatribe against Kaaza or those who developed it. As someone who has been exposed to the seedy underbelly of the internet since 1995, I certainly have no right to take the high moral ground on this issue.

My point was that the article, and some of the posts, seemed to be in awe of Kaaza development. From what I've seen, I am only impressed that the software seems to have been well developed and appears to have been released without any major bugs. But this hardly seems worthy of special note.

Please also note that I am not speaking badly of any of the developers, either. They figured out a 'need' and they filled it. The 'need' was that people like to get stuff for free.

I am more impressed if the fabled TW 'shot prediction algorithm' is indeed what people say it is. Now this would be an example of a piece of true intellectual property.

What Kaaza is, IMHO, is more like what Microsoft does. No real technical innovation, just simply some really good marketing insight.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

kazaa's biggest claim-to-fame, in my opinion, would be how it protected itself from lawsuits by spanning its interests over several different countries with different copyright laws (programmed in Estonia, contracted by Sweden?, etc). it's brilliant because the U.S. can't touch them.

other than that, i don't use kazaa. i think the spyware it contains makes it one of the worst of the napster-clones ever made... and kazaa lite is a hassle to use too. however, anything that helps music stay free gets major props in my book.

[Louis XV]

I can't decide which is more impressive: the development of a (relatively) flawless piece of software by a small homegrown dev team in Estonia that has taken the world by storm, or saving a spaceship game by rebuilding it FROM SCRATCH. _/\_o_

P.S. Yeah. This is old news, but I bet a lot of the newbies around here didn't know much of anything about their friendly neighborhood sysop's programming background.

P.P.S. I don't like kazaa because you're limited by the popularity of what you're looking for. If it's obscure, you're less likely to find it on kazaa. (But still more likely than on the radio or in a record store.)

[ZentoR]

shouldnt this be in general?

[Mr. Peanuts]

didnt u guys know he helped make kazaa?

wanna see his pic? its a bit shadowy and not an actual photo, but you get the idea,

www.bluemoon.ee/team