Protest add death on spec bs

[Eeks]

you should also have 1 death added when subbed unless you're lagged out

[Darkmoor]

Indeed, a time penalty after which you can re-enter the game would be much better. Something between 30-60 seconds would be good. Perhaps 45 seconds, as TWDD games rarely last more than 15 minutes. Then you could also safely spec and do subbing or something else if needed. Now you have to risk being tk'ed. This would eliminate speccing/quitting. Real lagcheaters can always abuse it to the limit that you are currently enforcing.

IMO this lagcheating and speccing/quitting to avoid being killed has never been a problem. And lets face it, you can't make this game lagless. A huge amount of people are still using dial-up. Then there is the pure geographical distance that you can't do anything about.

As long as TWD isn't a serious league, it shouldn't use things like this. When it is a real league, with playoffs and whatnot. Then you could enforce more strict rules. Like you could enforce these things during TWL qualifications if future qualifications are going to use the TWD ladders. TWD is only for FUN, and you're killing it, thereby possibly losing players and credibility.

Just repeating myself over and over again, but just that it would be good if everyone that wants to would be able to enjoy playing TWD.

[Nimrook]

i think the removing spec death thing is not that bad.. because the lag limit isnt too high.. u wont get spec unless u spike or lag A LOT.. and this prevents people from speccing on purposed when getting teamed

[Warthog]

I'm tired of getting specced and losing a life when my ping is, and here it is exactly as it was when I lagged out, PING Current:90 ms Average:90 ms Low:90 ms High:160 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.2% S2CWeapons: 0.0%
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there is no reason for this utter bullshit system to be used, and it shows how fucking stupid our staff can be that rather than just get rid of it because everyone knows it sucks, they keep it in place and try to fix it and just prolong the agony of the shitty shitty shitty shitty system. On another note, trenchwars does lag from time to time on its own, now imagine the complaints that are going to happen when some weekend coming up there is a spike in tw and every player loses a life to being specced. Now, I'm sure they'd replay those games, but still it's so goddamn annoying, you can lower the lag limits, but the -1 is stupid and pointless.

-Warthog

[ShadowHand]

Yea and what if, like, I get a phone call or something and have to run over to grab the phone during am match
It's easier just to spec myself and go run to the phone, but now i can't do that because I'll have a death added (which, when you're as crappy a player as I, you desperately need every death you can spare) I mean, I don't lag, never have. I have cable and my lag is rarely over about 70ms, so why should i be punished for speccing myself during a game when there may be something important I have to go do?

[death row]

I think its fair. Sick of chasing idiots then have them spec when they get scared, or are in a tough situation. Keep it.

[Warthog]

I think its fair. Sick of chasing idiots then have them spec when they get scared, or are in a tough situation. Keep it.

That is annoying, but there really must be another way to deal with that without having to do -1 on a lagout. Lets seperate bullshit idiots speccing and laggers they aren't at the same level of idiocy.

[Squeezer]

could u at least take it out of Wbdeul? I mean, wbduel is mean't to be fun, and it should not be taken as seriously as a dd, or twld match. I find myself not being able to have fun in wbduel now, because i end up only getting 7 deaths -_-

[WiseCherub]

Darkmoor's idea of a lagout penality of TIMEOUT for 45-60secs is a good one. And perhaps have a +1 Death if the player lagouts 3 times in a row.

Right now the lagout system is strict which is good in some ways, but unfortunately it is hurting innocent players.

I think we have to aim for middle ground; what we had before and what we have now.

I messaged a bot developer and he said they will tweek the lag limits so they are a tiny bit lenient in the future.

I was in wbduel the other day, and I get Lag Report [128ms spike, 90ms limit]. This is crazy, and also I get laggedout if I shoot/kill someone. I did manage to get thru some matches with 2 lagouts at most. I also TWDD that day, and didn't get any lagouts at all. So I assume this new lagout handler is fully in wbduel matchbot.

I have Shaw Internet Cable, I average 110ms ping, once and awhile I may get the lagspike; which I think might be a problem with a Cable Solution. A friend of mine has ASDL and he gets 110ms ping as well. So when someone tells me get a better connection, I think like what? lol
Since I live on the West Coast of Canada, and the TW server is in New York; there is not much I or other can do about this. I bet Australia players will have even worse problems with this new lagout handler.

[Dameon Angell]

Being the TWD Op, I suppose I should say something.... I think the bot system of +1 death on spec is bullcrap, because the bots can't tell the difference between a lagout and a player-done spec.

And I don't think the lag management modules should be on, because (not from my experience, but many, many complaints) that the bots spec players who have perfectly fine ping and *tinfo .... its absurd.

[Tarriskat]

Is there anyway to TAKE spec out...when in a game? like a twd match? or like anti warp? im guessing now but if there was then your problem is solved

[Zerzera]

If there is a timelimit it has to be long enough to make it painfull enough to prevent people from speccing. By that you also make it painfull for the people who lag out due to their connection.
I think it's a very good thing to punish people that spec, and if your connection sucks you might concider playing webbased games instead of subspace.

[tahkis]

One minute would be nice. That would stop speccing when it's 4v1 because he wouldn't have time to return. gg

[Dameon Angell]

I would propose something a bit different.

If you're specced for whatever, you should be made to sit out for a full 60 seconds, so the opposing team gets a "power play". Screw the +1 death.

[Tibro]

I would propose something a bit different.

If you're specced for whatever, you should be made to sit out for a full 60 seconds, so the opposing team gets a "power play". Screw the +1 death.

sounds good.. only problem i can see though is that when the player returns after the 60 secs.. he is likely to have more lives than the rest of the players.. this sort of gives an unfair advantage to the guy who is specced.. and i can see ppl easily abusing it..

i dont see much wrong with the +1 death tbh