Should TWSD just become TWFD?

[MaGi kOz]

lmao, not pub, but it would be intresting to see a fight with a non flag base, not nessesarly a area like elim, maybe something like base elim or i suppose base without the flag... but a non all warbird team wouldnt nessesarly work, you could use a shark to rep, terr to attach to and rally around. i dunno seams kinda bad to start any sort of leauge/division after twsd just got acitivated. but i do think this maybe worth looking into. but yeah so im not missunderstood i think twsd should stay SD

you and whoever takes you serious is fucking retarded. don't take offense to what i said. i'm not serious. but i just wanted to say you're fucking retarded.

[Expunge]

magi, is insulting people the only thing you know how to do? how is he not supposed to take offense at that? If you have nothing to say, don't say anything .

anyway, SD is pretty cool the way it is, and after the map changes, it will definitely be a great addition to the zone and possibly to TWL. I don't think it should be combined with anything else, although as a hardcore lancaster I wouldn't mind seeing a lanc division in the future :P

[Morroco]

Well in ELIM FIGHTER match, sometimes other ships do good.

Plus it wouldn't be completely open space arena.

Do you know for certain that all warbirds lineup would dominate?

Many factors involved depends who is playing and what their ship expertise is.

Also to eliminate the All Warbird lineup, then just limit the # of same ship types on lineup. Like say you can only have max of 2 or 3 warbirds.

My post is just a general idea, I'm sure it could be tweaked to perfection to make sure it works well.

lets see.. Warbirds are faster, therefore they can dodge better. Faster recharge therefore, fire shots faster. Faster bullets, therefore making it harder to dodge.. I'm sure birds would dominate any ship

[kamakazi-insomniac]

magi are you a girl

[Kuukunen]

lets see.. Warbirds are faster, therefore they can dodge better. Faster recharge therefore, fire shots faster. Faster bullets, therefore making it harder to dodge.. I'm sure birds would dominate any ship

You can't say it like that you know. :P
If what you say was right, 5 warbird lineup would dominate 5 spid lineup in base.

[Troll King]

I don't understand why when people propose eliminating ship limits, critics respond by saying that "they'd choose 5 wbs anyway" or for basing "they wouldn't levi or cloak anyway" and just settle for the same ship combinations. If that is the best combination and no one would choose otherwise, then why not give them the choice anyway. If they don't use a different line-up, that's fine; the point is that they have the option. If you're right and people will fall back on the same tried and true line-ups, then it really shouldn't make a difference for you either way.

[Morroco]

You can't say it like that you know. :P
If what you say was right, 5 warbird lineup would dominate 5 spid lineup in base.

That's a closed area where it's small.. Do you think a spider can snipe as well as a warbird? In a twsd arena it would be more open therefore giving the bird advantage

[Kuukunen]

Indeed Morocco, but you didn't say that in your "wbs will own any ship" post. And do you really know it's open enough?

(Don't get me wrong here, SD will stay SD.)

[Merkaba]

If you look in Trash Talk forum, Jumping Spider posted an interesting thread regarding warbird vs spider in open space.

He claims spiders usually own warbird in open space.

But I don't believe it myself.

[Kolar]

I don't understand why when people propose eliminating ship limits, critics respond by saying that "they'd choose 5 wbs anyway" or for basing "they wouldn't levi or cloak anyway" and just settle for the same ship combinations. If that is the best combination and no one would choose otherwise, then why not give them the choice anyway. If they don't use a different line-up, that's fine; the point is that they have the option. If you're right and people will fall back on the same tried and true line-ups, then it really shouldn't make a difference for you either way.

For Basing I would agree to that IF all ships were modified with basing in mind. To do that we would need to start in publics anyways so I think it's will never happen because people are so use to using ships which are annoying and are not balanced for basing, but they don't care because it's fun to them.

For the different divisions we're focusing on specific ships and dueling/competing in them. It's not a test to see which lineup of ships can out do another. That may be a fun thing to try in the future but it's not what any of the dueling divisions are about.

[VladTaltos]

OK, I just want to say, I feel sorry for you merkaba, I hate when people read only the first post then reply. To everyone else, yes, a warbird owns a lanc 1v1, and probably spiders, although I havent dueled enough good ones to be sure. But what you are failing to realize is that this wouldnt be 1v1, it would be a team game, and with proper communication, like I dont know, teamspeak running in back, it would be possible to use some of the other ships effectively. For example, if you had 2 warbirds (just because they so damn good), and 2 spids, then one lanc, and it was a map that wasnt too wide, you could have the 2 warbirds flank out left and right, make sure people dont rush around the edges, then set the lanc in the mid. You have the lanc get multi, and have him send his spread shot out at any that were forced inward by the 2 wbs. You then have the 2 spids behind and to either side of the lanc firing at the (hopefully) damaged enemy ship who just got knocked down to half by the lanc. Now I dont know that this would be practical, but you see where I am going. I think that a non all wb or spid game might not be a bad idea and shouldnt be dismissed out of hand. No I dont think we should replace TWSD, nor should another league be started this soon, but I think this idea has merit enough for future consideration.

[VladTaltos]

lets see.. Warbirds are faster, therefore they can dodge better. Faster recharge therefore, fire shots faster. Faster bullets, therefore making it harder to dodge.. I'm sure birds would dominate any ship

Ok, there are some major flaws with your reasoning here. Yes the warbirds BOOST faster, but their actual movement speed isnt much more than the spiders. Their recharge is faster, but they use all their energy for that one shot, so no, they dont fire faster. Yes the bullets are faster, but if you can dodge a wb shot in a wb, then you should almost always be able to dodge the same shot with a Spid. And the key thing here is, that while the wb's shot may be lethal in one hit, as soon as they fire that shot, all the spider's and lanc's shots are suddenly one hit kills too.
Your post shows an unfamiliarity with the spider ship. You dont go out and try to hit some guy 4 times in a row and grab a kill, you wait for some silly wb to come at you and fire, then you return fire, except with 2-3 bullets while you dodge his shot. Yes his comes faster, but he has to worry about 2 or 3 while you only have the one to contend with. Look me up if you want me to show you what I mean.

[Escalate]

When was the last time anyone saw a lanc or spider win an any ship elim?

Kolar pretty much hit the nail on the head. It wouldn't be seen as a prestigious league in the sense that base, javs, and birds are.

ive won several times in spid, it wouldnt happen in a super competitive situation though, because basically the wb cant be killed unless he is firing or has just fired, which in a very competitive situation he wont do except from extremely long distances at which the spid cant possibly hit him.

[Kuukunen]

OK, I just want to say, I feel sorry for you merkaba, I hate when people read only the first post then reply.

Well apparently you kind of didn't read my post. Morrocco's half thought idea got shot down already.

Still doesn't change the fact there probably will not be an all ship division.

Ok, there are some major flaws with your reasoning here. Yes the warbirds BOOST faster, but their actual movement speed isnt much more than the spiders.

Actually EVERY ship's boost is just as fast. Wb just reloads faster and this way gets to boost longer.

[VladTaltos]

You can't say it like that you know. :P
If what you say was right, 5 warbird lineup would dominate 5 spid lineup in base.

Ok, this is not the same thing I said. You put some poorly constructed sentance down that while it did suggest there was something vaguely incorrect about his post, it didnt tell us what was wrong with it. My post however made specific points that contained useful information. Your post was simply made to flame, except perhaps the part about all ships boosting the same, just the warbird doing it longer. Well, this is true, and it actually what I meant, I just mispoke. But it adds up to the same thing, if you want to go boost dodging, the warbird is superior, but if you are just using normal movement to avoid shots (which you should do anyway, its better), then there is a minimal difference.

P.S. before you try to turn this around on me and say that my post is exactly what I accused your post of being, a flame, let me say that while in a sense this is true, mine is a justified defense of my earlier post, not some random unnecessary attack.