replace twSD with twSB

[Jeenyuss]

For the record I do not support division.

I voted yes for Multiplication.

[Abatis]

If any of you strikeballers out there have a suggestion for the functionality of the SB bot, please bring them to Divine Rides. He's been very helpful advising me on the project along with PL, as I know nothing about SB. Any suggestions given to me directly will probably be ignored or simply forwarded by me to Divine, so please take them to him first.

Aside from general suggestions applicable to any bot, we're looking for comments on how to define several of the statistics the bot will eventually be recording. Examples are:

-What constitutes a choke.
-What constitutes a save.
-How MVP should be calculated.
-What constitutes an interception.

Suggestions on how to define these and for any other possibly significant stats would be greatly appreciated.

I don't know exactly how defined the map area is for the bot, but if the goal area, that is the blocks surrounding the goal and inside, is specified, a choke could be a ball entering there and not scoring. A save would be stopping the ball from going in there, again, I don't know if a bot could handle that. An interception would be any other time the ball carrier shoots/passes the pall, and an enemy gets it.

MVP could be calculated lots of way. My first thought for a unique way to measure who has the highest impact on the game is highest percentage of sucessful passes. It's simple and passing is one of the most important parts of the game. A more encompassing formula would obviously have to be more complex, it could be as complex as weighting killing the ball carrier more than regular kills, weighing in goals, assists, regular passes, turnovers, deaths, deaths with the ball, interceptions, and saves.

I'm not sure how helpful this is, because I don't really know the limitations of bots, sorry.

[Mutton]

Assume no limitations on the bot. Specify your ideal definitions.

[wadi]

Save: Ball recovered inside the rocks around the goal you are defending:
Choke: turn over inside the rocks of the goal you are scoring on.

[Mantra-Slider]

mvp vote after game of course!

[Golden_Aim]

i don't know what u guys see in strikeball but it's trash.

[Richard Creager]

i don't know what u guys see in strikeball but it's trash.

that's one down, about 30 or so to go.

[Doc Flabby]

[Sufficient]

I like proball more =( ... let's play proball.

[Sleepy Weasel]

An interception would be any other time the ball carrier shoots/passes the pall, and an enemy gets it.

If possible it should be something like you shoot the ball and the enemy gets it in less than x seconds, with x being something small. Or it only counts if the ball still has a certain amount of velocity. Something to try and separate picking off a pass, from just picking up a ball that someone cleared out of an area and you just got to it first.

Shooting someone and then picking up the ball should maybe count for something too, I don't know, that's kind of an interception. More like forcing a fumble.

[Mutton]

perhaps killing a ball holder would be a sack, while being killed while holding the ball would be a fumble.

[Sufficient]

If possible it should be something like you shoot the ball and the enemy gets it in less than x seconds, with x being something small. Or it only counts if the ball still has a certain amount of velocity. Something to try and separate picking off a pass, from just picking up a ball that someone cleared out of an area and you just got to it first.

Shooting someone and then picking up the ball should maybe count for something too, I don't know, that's kind of an interception. More like forcing a fumble.

A "stolen" cleared ball is basically the same as a steal in my opinion. Prob should ask some hz or pb ppl how they do the stats since they have lots of experience with that stuff.

[Abatis]

Assume no limitations on the bot. Specify your ideal definitions.

Maybe 2 MVP's. Offensive MVP is percentage of sucessful passes on the offesnsive half multiplied by some factor and the total number of passes. Defensive MVP is number of kills on the other side of the line with kills on the ball carrier weighted heavier and maybe interceptions. Or if only 1 mvp combine the factors.

But I really like the percentage of passes completed, because in my mind that's the most skilled/important part of the game. Killing in strikeball is not nearly as important as getting the ball into scoring position. Interceptions are important, but don't really score any goals. Scoring and assists can turn into cherry picking and teammates fighting inside the box.

[Caim E.X.]

Strikeball all the way. We have to spread the word so that more people will know about it.

[Clif]

One piece of data that would be useful would be the distance a player has moved the ball towards their goal in a game.