TWD Roster Cap

[Rasaq]

...and still Paladen managed to get 84 on their roster.

[Turban]

forgot to add pandora. can't forget about pandora.

[Turban]

i never get to join the good basing squads.

dice/pene reject here.

[renzi]

I rather be stacked in quality with lets say 7 spids, than count 15 twl spids on pandora's and pene's roster last season. Now that is stacked. I would of been happy last season if you guys kept your best players but atleast would of axed those who are just benching and speccing in twl games

i think we actually ended up using every single one of our twl spiders due to lag from others. having as many twl spiders as we did actually saved us even in finals even though we still lost. may have had 3-4 twl spiders in spec, but they definitely came in handy and helped us throughout the season

[renzi]

the guy has a point. one way to remedy this is for every squad expand to more leagues. for example: penetrate and pandora last season. Recruit some warbirds who are slightly interested in basing and add them to basing. give them PLAYINGTIME in bd's (since base is dead). and tell them to build a bridge and walk over it if they start bitching about 'this league is better than this'.

pretty sure pandora did this last season (mythril who got good) other wbs played too

[Soilderz]

Ok, so I decided to do a good deed for the basing and twd'ing community and I'm gonna try find a few possible basers from pub and recruit them to Diso.

And here I go:
Soilderz> Hello
BaseSpider> hey
Soilderz> do you like spidering?
BaseSpider> aha
Soilderz> got any more names you've usd?
BaseSpider> repagel a long time ago
Soilderz> would you like to join a squad?
BaseSpider> no thanks, not enough time

Rejected

[Soilderz]

I've tried to host ?go base a few times the past week and sure I got it running for a few games but no people actually came there? I saw vati and thix in twbd talking about how base should be more hosted but they never came when i hosted it?

Hell i'm happy if we get it running a few rounds per day (sad enough) but if some staffers actually could step up and host it, it doesn't take a lot of time OR effort.

I'd be happy to try and get new pubbers on Diso and try to train them up, but the fact is, IF you do add a TWD Roster Cap I won't recruit them. I just don't have room, sure I could axe a lot of old disos that only get on once a month but for what?
I'd be more than happy if we could have some kind of trainee squad? I know it's has been talk of this before and nothing new has happened, maybe there aren't enoguh newbies /pubbers so that it could create a few active trainee squads but tbh any trainee squad would be fine. If I could be cap on 2 rosters on the same time I'd love to cap for the pubbers too.
I don't know how all this would work theoretically but I like the idea.

[Turban]

rednaz = pro shark, true story.

now to be honest, i have never understood why some players (majority of the players, actually) limit themselves to play only one league or division. that is in my opinion extremely boring and repetitive, hence we should encourage squads to compete in multiple leagues rather than focusing on a single division.

i will probably never join a squad that only plays two leagues. i enjoy basing, warbird and javelin equally much (albeit basing is my current favorite) and wish others would start playing multiple ships on a regular basis as well.

[RednaZ]

I know for me personally, no ?go base is keeping me from basing. I tried getting back into sharking for last season, god knows sk8 needed it. But with no ?go base and the few sporadic bd's there just isn't enough chance to seriously attempt to get back on a competitive level.

[Witness]

Mainly I just give base a hard time because I like to troll people on the forums but I actually think its pretty fun sometimes, not my favorite league but I see its appeal to some people. I mean shit I originally left public arenas to base in #myth and go recruited into a squad from there. Honestly I don't think that the main problem is that ?go base got ruined or a twd roster cap I think its just there aren't enough people being recruited from the pub to join and play leagues because nobody wants to spend the time to train them, a LOT of the pubbers we have now don't want to play leagues they want to stay pubbers, and the new players we are getting are for the most part.. retarded and most people don't want to recruit them to a squad and have them acting retarded on their chats.

1. I still think twice a week on Tuesday/Thursday (Twice a day morning/night) staff should host a manual basing event in the public arena and invite people from other zones to play, offer big prizes to everyone who plays in the form of pub money for the winning team, pub money for the best terr, pub money for the best sharks, etc etc etc. It will show some pubbers that sometimes league events can be fun, and it will bring hopefully good basers into the same arena as people who might possibly be the next generation of basers.

2. Allow squads (for a five dollar donation a month or something like that) have Local chats so that they can kick people off who are being morons and douchebags, it doesn't give anyone a huge advantage, and it solves the problem of having dipshits infiltrating your chats. Also it raises a few bucks for TWBR, its a win/win.

3. Offer pub money signing bonus's for new (unique ip/macid) players who register for twd, and enact a signing bonus for joining a basing squad, I wouldn't normally be ok with leaving javs/birds out of this but its obvious which league needs the most help. I mean shit even if 100 people sign up for twd just to get the free pub money, and 50 of them join squads for the pub money, and even 20 of them actually decide to stay in the league its totally worth it.

4. Connect ?go base with pub, where ?go base offers 2x pub money per kill/mvp etc so that new people who want a chance to make some extra quick pub money can go try ?go base and see if they can get some extra cash. Maybe they will like it more than public arenas.

I thought for sure ?go base would be rekindled after the reintroduction of lev to pub an no more pure_pub but it just hasn't caught on, I still get complaints about no pure_pub from time to time, but im not sure if there just new people that dont want to leave pub because of the conversation or dont want to type ?go base, maybe we should do some kinda push for hosting ?go base an introducing pub people to it. Thats probably a really good first step for recruiting people into squads. I do like some of these ideas you have.

[kthx]

Mainly I just give base a hard time because I like to troll people on the forums but I actually think its pretty fun sometimes, not my favorite league but I see its appeal to some people. I mean shit I originally left public arenas to base in #myth and go recruited into a squad from there. Honestly I don't think that the main problem is that ?go base got ruined or a twd roster cap I think its just there aren't enough people being recruited from the pub to join and play leagues because nobody wants to spend the time to train them, a LOT of the pubbers we have now don't want to play leagues they want to stay pubbers, and the new players we are getting are for the most part.. retarded and most people don't want to recruit them to a squad and have them acting retarded on their chats.

Thats why

1. I still think twice a week on Tuesday/Thursday (Twice a day morning/night) staff should host a manual basing event in the public arena and invite people from other zones to play, offer big prizes to everyone who plays in the form of pub money for the winning team, pub money for the best terr, pub money for the best sharks, etc etc etc. It will show some pubbers that sometimes league events can be fun, and it will bring hopefully good basers into the same arena as people who might possibly be the next generation of basers.

2. Allow squads (for a five dollar donation a month or something like that) have Local chats so that they can kick people off who are being morons and douchebags, it doesn't give anyone a huge advantage, and it solves the problem of having dipshits infiltrating your chats. Also it raises a few bucks for TWBR, its a win/win.

3. Offer pub money signing bonus's for new (unique ip/macid) players who register for twd, and enact a signing bonus for joining a basing squad, I wouldn't normally be ok with leaving javs/birds out of this but its obvious which league needs the most help. I mean shit even if 100 people sign up for twd just to get the free pub money, and 50 of them join squads for the pub money, and even 20 of them actually decide to stay in the league its totally worth it.

4. Connect ?go base with pub, where ?go base offers 2x pub money per kill/mvp etc so that new people who want a chance to make some extra quick pub money can go try ?go base and see if they can get some extra cash. Maybe they will like it more than public arenas.

[Zeebu]

tittles

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[Pressure]

Yeah basing is really slow, I can finish an entire dd match before you even finish adding the lineups in a basing match. A chess match? You fucking kidding me, most of the other warbirds I play are literally retarded, its more like Chutes and Ladders, I climb up to 15-5 and they chute down to 5-10. Basing is like stratego and shit, gotta wait till the pieces are in the right place and go around the fucking lakes and shit.

are you out of your mind? wb and jav is literally like a stand off match between who can aim the best and dodge the best. basing is all about being spontaneous and catching the other team off guard, while also depending on skills like dodging and aiming. the chances of you being serious right now are very high cus you are a wb, so i'm not going to stop arguing because of the fact you may just be a troll, because if you actually mean what you say it's worth it to tell you how dumb you are.

it's one thing if your sense of perception simplex, but don't make claims like basing is slow paced because you're too stupid to understand its complex dynamic. why do you think the Trauma+ players started basing and not wb/javving? EG is a super fast paced zone, they picked basing cus its the closest (not that its anything like EG) in intensity to EG flagging, and their skills from that environment could transfer over. theres a dueling league in EG, but did you see them start try to wb/javving? no, cus its probably boring as shit to them compared to EG dueling which is also faster paced due to their ship sets.

stop being a moron, ?go twbd for once and watch a few games, hell, join a basing squad and try it before you start judging it. i made judgments about wb/jav being boring when i didn't play them, but only once i tried them understood what makes them fun. it's definitely not faster paced and more exciting though, not by a long shot.

[Stayon]

big post! :wub:

kthx your definition of boring is the same as mine concerning wbs

30 would be a good number. no one needs more than this. The idea of having 3 different squads for each division has always been a good one, but I bet that would be alot of work for staff, but this way alot of people could actually play other leagues. I absolutly hate wb but if I could have a wb squad even I would play just for fun and go 2-10. Its a matter of people trying other ships and not sticking to 1.

Vat what I meant personal greed, I didnt mean tittles or anything but more the fact that my time on this game is comming and im noy those kids that get here saying "quitting ss" , this is the only game I have time and still play in my life (im 23), and whenever eventually I feel like getting online and bding, look at a sad bd ladder, I dont wanna bd the same 2 squads like I did the past 6 months and eventually a bd vs some weak squad or a medium one like freebie.

Was hard trying to talk with 5 people talking at the same time, but you got me wrong. I have no problem with pandora or penetrate and no I do not think they should dissolve on the contrary actually. Basing always had squads with huge numbers, today we cant afford that anymore. Sometimes it was just so hypocritical hearing from some people saying "Dice is stacked". but think about it..stacked in quality or quantity? Last season was probably the first time we had various subs for each ship, I lost season 9 cuz we had to put Puu in terr..season 12, I didndt play but dice had no real bench, season 10 we added mega newbie vs you guys in the third round, now thats fucking stacked! I rather be stacked in quality with lets say 7 spids, than count 15 twl spids on pandora's and pene's roster last season. Now that is stacked. I would of been happy last season if you guys kept your best players but atleast would of axed those who are just benching and speccing in twl games.

But this cant come from caps only..it has to come from players also, and its not just directed to basers but every players. I remember when I started playing, all I wanted was to get better and compete..the only reason im on Dice is because im a very competitive guy, if they weren't good I would of never joined em..and I ditched my "SS Spastic family" in order to compete at a higher level and win 5 years ago, I would of done the same thing to dice if it was needed (this is only directed to me, you'll see where im trying to get tho). People give up too easily, care too much about "SS families" and generally aren't that competitive.

Important : There will always be subs in every team..but I (or anyone should) would never sit on a team for a medal, or on one that has too many players in order to play, I would just work my ass off to either start or join some squads where I could play. What I mean is, too many people on this game, give up too soon, instead of trying to improve and get actual play time. Over the years I saw dozens and dozens of people, that if you sum all their twl games in lets say..5 years, that would be 1 complete season of twl, its ridiculous and its been happening for too long.

As for myself only Vat, since you mentioned it, in the off season when I join some squad, I never ever promissed to stay in 5 years since I joined dice, I join to help out only. If 1 person leaves and a squad dies, thats not my problem, but the captains. Its their job to keep it together and recruit people, I cant be their daddy.

And to finish I honestly think go base is very important to basing. wbs and javs have elim/belim, wbduel/javduel and events (because basing events were never as hosted as the others ones), basers only had go base. its the only bridge from pub to twbd and as importantly its was the only place basers could practise outside twbd. Tabarnak was the exception, recently from pub to twbd, I dont know anyone else, not to mention there arent that many new basers, all us either play for a long time or got few years of this. People these days practise basing in twd only, and thats not enough for new people, and for the ones who want improve. Its not a coicidence that Penetrate activicty over the past 2 years, that some of their "new" basers are better than those who are on others squads, people on medium squads and weaker squads will never be able to fight with 50 twbds in off season vs people who got 200 (random numbers).

Ever since staff decided to automatized, it started to die and that was an error. It was better when it was announced by staff and some selecetd trustfull basers had powers to start it. Why do you think go base started to suck? how many times did we see bad captains, bad lineups and too many specials? Even it go base gets active again, I dont expect things to be much better, but it can help!

And to try to proove it, look at baseelim 2 years ago..it was dead! They fixed the bot, added streaks (some sort of ranking or streaks for go base would be easy to add apparently) and look baseelim is always being played, and its no fucking coicidence that if you look at the twjd ladder and you notice the following: biggest number of squads, biggest number of jav squads only (and notice each has around 20ish people). also notice that there was a "sprout" of new players playing jav, belim had a role when it went back up again.

The old talk, this game is going to die, well thats obvious, its just a matter if its delayed or not, and this case in particular basing! love!

[kthx]

Yeah basing is really slow, I can finish an entire dd match before you even finish adding the lineups in a basing match. A chess match? You fucking kidding me, most of the other warbirds I play are literally retarded, its more like Chutes and Ladders, I climb up to 15-5 and they chute down to 5-10. Basing is like stratego and shit, gotta wait till the pieces are in the right place and go around the fucking lakes and shit.