Training Squad Plan

[ogron]

I've tossed this idea around to a few veteran basers and most of the feedback was positive, although a few wanted to wait to participate until after TWL. Basically we're planning on creating two squads, call them Red Fox and Blue Fox for example, and play primarily against each other, but also vs. other squadrons.

How this differentiates itself from squads like Tenure is:
1) two squads instead of one, so the persons learning are able to play other new people and not getting massacred and disheartened every game
2) veterans double-squadding on both squads to bolster activity and teach new persons the game

So, for example, a bd might look like this:

Red Fox
pubber1
pubber2
pubber3
Shayde (TW)
Spikey (TW)
a2m (TW)
pubber4
pubber5


Blue Fox
pubber6
pubber7
Trasher (TW)
Spezza (TW)
Royst (TW)
pubber8
pubber9
SquallFF8 (TW)


What is required from TWD ops/developers:

1) not banning vets doublesquadding on either of these two learning squads (perhaps using alts with (TW) or (V) or something identical to their current TWD name in use)
2) disabling both squads on the ladder during TWL qualifications to not impact who gets in

Both important points, but especially the former -- it's extremely hard to get enough veterans to join a training squad -- and doubly so with two of them running concurrently to play each other.

I think this would be a boon to both new players as well as older ones in increasing TWD activity and helping maintain/increase league population.

Let me know what you guys think. Also a TWD op response as to the question of double-squadding would be much appreciated -- can't move forward without that element.

[Rasaq]

Bunch of other people's ideas mixed into yours. Staff had 0 interest in those so i doubt anything will.become of this.

[Jeenyuss]

I've tossed this idea around to a few veteran basers and most of the feedback was positive, although a few wanted to wait to participate until after TWL. Basically we're planning on creating two squads, call them Red Fox and Blue Fox for example, and play primarily against each other, but also vs. other squadrons.

How this differentiates itself from squads like Tenure is:
1) two squads instead of one, so the persons learning are able to play other new people and not getting massacred and disheartened every game
2) veterans double-squadding on both squads to bolster activity and teach new persons the game

So, for example, a bd might look like this:

Red Fox
pubber1
pubber2
pubber3
Shayde (TW)
Spikey (TW)
a2m (TW)
pubber4
pubber5


Blue Fox
pubber6
pubber7
Trasher (TW)
Spezza (TW)
Royst (TW)
pubber8
pubber9
SquallFF8 (TW)


What is required from TWD ops/developers:

1) not banning vets doublesquadding on either of these two learning squads (perhaps using alts with (TW) or (V) or something identical to their current TWD name in use)
2) disabling both squads on the ladder during TWL qualifications to not impact who gets in

Both important points, but especially the former -- it's extremely hard to get enough veterans to join a training squad -- and doubly so with two of them running concurrently to play each other.

I think this would be a boon to both new players as well as older ones in increasing TWD activity and helping maintain/increase league population.

Let me know what you guys think. Also a TWD op response as to the question of double-squadding would be much appreciated -- can't move forward without that element.

just fuckin do it. fuck squads with reputation and history, just get seven or eight people who have a bit of experience, recruit new players, and just fuckin do it

[mtine]

Yep, I've been thinking about this also for a while now, but as most of ppl in TW agreed: wait 'till TWL is over, then start doing this.

[ogron]

just fuckin do it. fuck squads with reputation and history, just get seven or eight people who have a bit of experience, recruit new players, and just fuckin do it

For something substantive and long-term really requires a concerted effort from the community. Recognizing that its not realistic to expect vets to stay on farm squads long-term (and finding solutions like limited doublesquading or w/e) and some twd op support is pretty crucial.

We've seen some great efforts from Royst and others but they haven't lasted, just jumping in and hoping for different results won't work. We need to empower our vets without the Sophie's choice of either pene/panda/sage/sweet/etc. or a training squad- and let them do both. And we Need two squads or the ability to play ourselves so its not a 15-3 shitfest every game demoralizing newbs and sending them back to pub.

Without those two key elements its destined to fail.

[squallFF8]

It's an awesome idea, as long as it doesn't interfere with TWL play. We should have an experimental off season with it. If staff is finding that people are taking advantage of this system, pull the plug on it. No harm done, in fact.. more activity, more new faces emerging in the basing division, and more potential competition in future twlb. Win win situation.

[mtine]

Make it 3 leagues tho, else dis won't work. U've been warned.

[MegamanEXE]

I like this idea. How do you determine who is a "vet" and who is a "pubber?"

[mtine]

I'm a vet. Suh suh g.

[Demonic]

I've tossed this idea around to a few veteran basers and most of the feedback was positive, although a few wanted to wait to participate until after TWL. Basically we're planning on creating two squads, call them Red Fox and Blue Fox for example, and play primarily against each other, but also vs. other squadrons.

How this differentiates itself from squads like Tenure is:
1) two squads instead of one, so the persons learning are able to play other new people and not getting massacred and disheartened every game
2) veterans double-squadding on both squads to bolster activity and teach new persons the game

So, for example, a bd might look like this:

Red Fox
pubber1
pubber2
pubber3
Shayde (TW)
Spikey (TW)
a2m (TW)
pubber4
pubber5


Blue Fox
pubber6
pubber7
Trasher (TW)
Spezza (TW)
Royst (TW)
pubber8
pubber9
SquallFF8 (TW)


What is required from TWD ops/developers:

1) not banning vets doublesquadding on either of these two learning squads (perhaps using alts with (TW) or (V) or something identical to their current TWD name in use)
2) disabling both squads on the ladder during TWL qualifications to not impact who gets in

Both important points, but especially the former -- it's extremely hard to get enough veterans to join a training squad -- and doubly so with two of them running concurrently to play each other.

I think this would be a boon to both new players as well as older ones in increasing TWD activity and helping maintain/increase league population.

Let me know what you guys think. Also a TWD op response as to the question of double-squadding would be much appreciated -- can't move forward without that element.

The idea of allowing double squadding in twd has been around for awhile, infact was recently raised again in last staff meeting. We could allow it upto twl qualification period in twd, but then vets would have to leave roster. As it stands, there is no way to disable a squad from the twd ladder so it would always affect twl qualifications thus the previous sentence.

Interesting, i expect staff to discuss these ideas, but nice to see players are thinking the same off their own back.

[gran guerrero]

Just create a new league for training

TWDL (Trench Wars Developmental League)

have a set amount of squads that will compete against each other primarily composed of players who have never played in TWL, captained (1-3) by twl vets who have been in multiple games/won championships and assistants (1-4) of other twl players. But Captains and assistants are limited to playing if there is available non-twl players online (like say for a dd if there's 5 non-twl players, only 2 cap/assistant can play, etc)

Run the same leagues (DD, JD, BD) but as developmental league (not apart of the TWD ladder) that competes for something entirely different (Heck why not throw pub bux to winners seeing as mostly will consist of pubbers, whatever I don't know). It will give them a chance to play, and let other squads to consider recruiting these players.

[gran guerrero]

or everyone can continue about their business and not give a shit like usual

[MegamanEXE]

Just create a new league for training

"Just create a new league"? The easiest way to make people not give a shit is to try to make them do more work. Why create an entirely new league when we don't know if it's worth it?

I am not against a training league, but let's be realistic. Making two training squads requires much less effort. It still requires effort on the part of the people who would be running it, but definately not as much as pushing staff into structuring a new league, which would require bot changes, website updates, new staff responsibilities, drama, etc.

It makes a lot more sense to create training squads to see how many people are actually interested. Not many people interested? Keep the training squads to train more people into higher levels. Lots of people interested? Then it would make more sense to make a new league to handle lots of people.

[Rasaq]

Like always we go to the "it won't work" rather than trying it out and seeing if it does or doesn't. Try something and if it isn't successful than scrap it midway through and move on. Remember, forums consists of mainly your TWD population, so people in pub really don't have a voice on here. There's no merit to any new ideas if you don't have their opinions.

[Rasaq]

...or you could create a league specifically for ?go Pub. Don't have staff hosting retarded events while this goes on and you'll see what the turnout will be. Players from spec will get chosen on a frequency, no limit to the number of players on a frequency. Keep all ships unlocked, one LT per frequency with a higher bounty needed to attach to terr. Have this hosted AFTER TWL rather than hosting a deathmatch or a WW3.

Oh...more SQUAD deathmatches, too, while I'm on that topic.