Trench Wars Leagues Season 7!

[Cig Smoke]

Rand i think overall all squads who are alive from last TWL who are qualified already are high enuff now yet to requalify if they had to in there respective leagues. I think if diso had to put full effort into requalifying they would make all 3 leagues again with ease. U know as well as everyone else that Diso is TWL skill for all 3. The ops are trrying to make TWL more competative. Lowering it to 14 teams in LB did that atleast for base. I think the fact that u have so many spots for squads to qualify in LD/LJ make it that any squad acn get in. I dont think its the squads who get in automaticaly causing the problem.

While were pointing out squasd who changed alot u have to look @ Ancients roster. There changed alot to. And i think they are less competative and active then diso or any other squads autoqualifying.

[Stabwound]

Randedl has a very good point that I don't think anyone really thought of before. It would be kinda hard, although, to enforce a rule like that. How do you determine exactly who has to stay rostered from year to year in order to play in a certain league? It can't be people that played in 1 game, because you can't really say that they were a key player of that league then...

I also agree that every squad should have to requalify. If you are in the position that you would automatically be in TWL, then you should have no trouble qualifying just like everyone else, and it makes it so any problems like this wouldn't happen in the first place. It would also help promote activity in the TWDs because there is a least 1-2 examples of auto-requalify squads that hardly play the league they are getting back into. As an example, of the 11 instances of squads requalifying, only about 4 of them are even in the top 10 of that particular TWD ladder, with all of them except 1 being TWLB.

[Cig Smoke]

Not having to requalify is a nice reward for making playoffs tho. Maybe limit it 2nd round of playoffs and farther on, but i think thats its no biggy rewarding the teams for making playoffs by not making them requalify. It helps alot of ppl get depth on ther roster bc they can play whenever and whoever with anyone online.

[Epinephrine]

Rand, I really don't think using season stats is a good way to determine what players were really part of the team.

First of all, I'd like to think that a squad is composed of all it's players. Some people in Elusive for instance never played in TWLD (i.e. Strike), but helped in other ways including in pracs and calling out deaths and targets in TWLD. Then again, in many cases you'll have the extra guy subbing in one game or two because you're down a man either to inactivity or lag. Does that automatically make this person part of the team? What if they left the squad before the roster lock? Will there be strict rules like "you have to play 5 full games or 10 subbed games (each subbed game counting 1/2 full game) in order to be counted"?

There's no point making something so complex. A squad is a group of people who play, and all the people on the squad should be considered important. Whether they are 'starters' for each specific league doesn't negate them from playing in other leagues, nor does it negate their status.

As for the reason why the carryover was introduced in the first place, I can only speak for season 6. I left it in because it's a good way to show squads that managed to stick around since the last TWL and were considered members of previous TWLs that they are welcome to play. It's much easier for players to know what squads to join even if they know a squad is stable enough to stick around so long and will make league for sure. It helps squads stick together becuase players know they can be relatively inactive and still get to play next season. And it gives continuity to the league. I've never been a big fan of a full qualifer because history shows that 1/2 the teams that qualify always disband quickly, as these 'flavour of the week' squads tend to die fast. Why wittle away at the proven squads that will show up and stay together just to replace with a bunch of guys who are only around enough to qualify? That does no one any good.

-Epi

[Randedl]

Rand i think overall all squads who are alive from last TWL who are qualified already are high enuff now yet to requalify if they had to in there respective leagues. I think if diso had to put full effort into requalifying they would make all 3 leagues again with ease. U know as well as everyone else that Diso is TWL skill for all 3. The ops are trrying to make TWL more competative. Lowering it to 14 teams in LB did that atleast for base. I think the fact that u have so many spots for squads to qualify in LD/LJ make it that any squad acn get in. I dont think its the squads who get in automaticaly causing the problem.

While were pointing out squasd who changed alot u have to look @ Ancients roster. There changed alot to. And i think they are less competative and active then diso or any other squads autoqualifying.

not completely sure what you are saying, i'm tired. . . anyways,
to stick to my example:
Disoblige:
TWBD: 17th
TWJD: 17th
TWDD: 37th
highest rating in all 3 is 1063(3 wins more than losses)

name 5 diso players who are twld worthy?
cumulo is their best imo, he has potential however i bet he's slipped from where he was last season just because he a. hardly gets to play, b. is focussing on basing.

[BLeeN]

No offense, Rand, but this isn't soccer. (I still liked the time we had on Melee)

Soccerteams change all the time. If a team changes alot, but they already qualified themselves for the CL with the 'old' team. That doesn't mean they have to re-qualify again.

Players are allowed to move between squads when they want to.
It's not they bound themselves to a contract for a year or more.
They don't get paid. We don't pay transfercosts for a player.
It's just a game. (Yeah, soccer is a game too, but it's a professional game.
We can only copy a few pointers from other gamesystems, to a degree.)

[RabbitRapist]

is there gonna be a spider limit ?

[BLeeN]

is there gonna be a spider limit ?

I think, we already said there will be a 4 spider limit. Somewhere in 2003 =)

[Sleepy Weasel]

not completely sure what you are saying, i'm tired. . . anyways,
to stick to my example:
Disoblige:
TWBD: 17th
TWJD: 17th
TWDD: 37th
highest rating in all 3 is 1063(3 wins more than losses)

name 5 diso players who are twld worthy?
cumulo is their best imo, he has potential however i bet he's slipped from where he was last season just because he a. hardly gets to play, b. is focussing on basing.

Their losses in twdd are only from -final-,pallies,shriek,egyptian,sk8,fire,rapid, all of which are twld calibur squads. They don't have really any superstars, but they got about 8 quality warbirds that if put together would beat most squads, definitely at least any 16th ranked squad. Diso has played relatively few twd games since the reset, and almost all of them against strong teams.

I mean the last 4-5 spots are between British Squad, PUMA, lyssic, Mysticallz,Avalonian, Geared, Kellog's. I would say it's a no brainer Diso would pretty much win against those guys. They obviously can still base well, and they are the defending champions in twlj. Sure they lost some jav power but they return a few guys and picked up Pjot. So let's just give them the spot and not make them try to find bad squads to play against to boost their rating.

[Displaced]

not completely sure what you are saying, i'm tired. . . anyways,
to stick to my example:
Disoblige:
TWBD: 17th
TWJD: 17th
TWDD: 37th
highest rating in all 3 is 1063(3 wins more than losses)

name 5 diso players who are twld worthy?
cumulo is their best imo, he has potential however i bet he's slipped from where he was last season just because he a. hardly gets to play, b. is focussing on basing.

I hate to do this. but:

Da1andonly
Bram
Mantra-Slider
Ara
Wah!!
Nethervoid
Cumulonimbus
PjOtTeR
Shop
Myself? (this is why i hate to do this )

Thats more than 5

[CrvenBan]

Yea Rand wtf is your problem ?

50% carry over ? Even if numbers are that we lost 6 of 19 players from last season (and I think we had more than 19) it's still 69% of original Disoblige squad. What do you care how many people we recruit from that point on, it's off-season, people want new challenges, and ALL of our people that left, did so AFTER finished season.

TWL says that least number of players in a squad is 10. Imagine a squad of 10 playing one season, doing good, going to playoffs, qualifying for next TWL. In off season, according to you, they wouldn't be able to recruit more than 9 new players, even if they still had same 10 in from last season too.

Disoblige, with ranking #1, #2 and #4 in TWL leagues last season, certanly deserves a spot in upcoming TWL, and I guarantee you that pretty much everyone will say that.

Worst thing that could happen ? We crash badly in leagues where we lost players and not make it to playoffs meaning we need to requalify next season...d'oh

Rand, take a look at Diso roster and you might notice that a great majority of players there has a +3 yrs of experience on their back. Do you think that ppl like Bram need to prac 6 months in advance to be good. No, he needs 2 weeks and he'll be set.
Five players, right now, Bram, Mantra, Nether, Da1, Cumu, Ara (that's six...).

Reason for poor ranking is that:
1. Diso does not need to requalify, which means we can relax and play whoever wants to play
2. We play everyone, even if our 4 wb lineup consist of 1 wb, 1 jav, 1 baser and me or if our basing crew is 6 duelers + 2 regulars (1 of which is me, and I have been inactive since october)
3. People that are busy with their lives, can take a break from game and not need to take it seriously untill it starts in summer


And last thing, GET THE FUCK OF 50% ISSUE, because, we should have right to recruit as many people as we wish to (not exceeding TWL limit), with the obvious fact that it still is same squad and not some lone guy that took the name and trying to get free ride.

Tell Vedran I told him he's still a mish.

[Ara]

rofl rand, weak

[Desperate]

CrvenBan seems to be the only guy who understands the 50% rule, and he also knows Disos situation atm. Please read his post again.

Edit: And lololololol I think it's funny how Rand says we only got one good wb, when we still got 2 allstar players from last season.

[Da1andonly]

lol rand you seriously don't know shit.

[Randedl]

Yea Rand wtf is your problem ?

50% carry over ? Even if numbers are that we lost 6 of 19 players from last season (and I think we had more than 19) it's still 69% of original Disoblige squad. What do you care how many people we recruit from that point on, it's off-season, people want new challenges, and ALL of our people that left, did so AFTER finished season.

TWL says that least number of players in a squad is 10. Imagine a squad of 10 playing one season, doing good, going to playoffs, qualifying for next TWL. In off season, according to you, they wouldn't be able to recruit more than 9 new players, even if they still had same 10 in from last season too.

Disoblige, with ranking #1, #2 and #4 in TWL leagues last season, certanly deserves a spot in upcoming TWL, and I guarantee you that pretty much everyone will say that.

Worst thing that could happen ? We crash badly in leagues where we lost players and not make it to playoffs meaning we need to requalify next season...d'oh

Rand, take a look at Diso roster and you might notice that a great majority of players there has a +3 yrs of experience on their back. Do you think that ppl like Bram need to prac 6 months in advance to be good. No, he needs 2 weeks and he'll be set.
Five players, right now, Bram, Mantra, Nether, Da1, Cumu, Ara (that's six...).

Reason for poor ranking is that:
1. Diso does not need to requalify, which means we can relax and play whoever wants to play
2. We play everyone, even if our 4 wb lineup consist of 1 wb, 1 jav, 1 baser and me or if our basing crew is 6 duelers + 2 regulars (1 of which is me, and I have been inactive since october)
3. People that are busy with their lives, can take a break from game and not need to take it seriously untill it starts in summer


And last thing, GET THE FUCK OF 50% ISSUE, because, we should have right to recruit as many people as we wish to (not exceeding TWL limit), with the obvious fact that it still is same squad and not some lone guy that took the name and trying to get free ride.

Tell Vedran I told him he's still a mish.

not knocking your squad, but i seriuosly don't think the ops have thought this through.

melee was #2 in ld last season and won't requalify, don't bring up silly numbers like that, you guys are nowhere near those rankings for anything but base.

good luck nonetheless, thanks for the prompt response from the powers that be.