Whipe

[stuckup]

......otherwise you woulda been in shriek

agreed.

[Ephemeral]

The 'hopper' issue should be considered from a 'long-term' perspective. I mean, after all, whose fault is it really? It's like people bitching about the news media when we (society) are the ones ultimately supporting them.
So my point is this, as long as squads get seduced into accepting hoppers into their team, then THIS is the problem. We don't need rules of changes to the league. We need to be vocal and make our opinions heard when your squad considers a hopper. Virtually every squad I have been on has allowed member input into recruiting decisions, so this isn't just about bad squad leaders. (Of course, it helps if we have loyalty to the squads we play for instead of bailing the minute things get bad.)
Take the time to look at player's squad history and provide feedback to your squad leaders. Think and look before joining a squad, make sure it's a place you want to be and make sure you understand their recruiting policies. If your not sure, ask them how they recruit. Recruiting a hopper is short-term thinking for any squad, it takes some discipline not to be sucked into this kind of thinking. But for the long-term good of the squad AND the league, it is best to pass on hoppers. If we all did this, hopping would become less common and things would be better all the way around.

[HellzNo!]

everyone knows hes a dickhead, but a cheater?...naw
its not like we took every dickhead out there, only the talented ones, otherwise you woulda been in shriek

EDIT:nm, im not gonna turn another thread into a flaming one. I'll just leave this shit for the game.

[Divine Rides]

free agency (hopping) is part of the game, it's just that the VAST majority of players are "hoppers"- it would be cool if there were more squads with solid foundation members, who just built around their key parts with the supplemental free agents.

[Nethila]

lolololololololoolol
Nethila, stop talking when you dunno what u talking about. i hoped 3 times in 8 months. NICE. I established myself for twl, is that bad? you went to a-s for twl too, so stop talking. If you count 8 months, thats what u get (not counting dissolves) : A-S, Paladen, Incuria, Avalonian ..... WOOOHOO IM A FULL TIME SQUAD HOPER.. WOOHOOO...
Stfu Nethila

Avalonian May 21, 2004 Jul 12, 2004
Incuria Apr 08, 2004 May 21, 2004
Paladen Feb 08, 2004 Apr 05, 2004
Juice Jan 28, 2004 Feb 02, 2004
Anti-Scrub Oct 08, 2003 Jan 28, 2004
Supremacy Oct 02, 2003 Oct 06, 2003
War Angels Sep 22, 2003 Oct 01, 2003
Implosive Sep 21, 2003 Sep 22, 2003

um..where did you learn how to count


you established urself in twl? how? by goin from incuria to avalonian? jumping from a decent basing squad as a baser to a duelling squad as a baser? dude, you arent even a dueller.

[Capital Knockers]

free agency (hopping) is part of the game, it's just that the VAST majority of players are "hoppers"- it would be cool if there were more squads with solid foundation members, who just built around their key parts with the supplemental free agents.

Less squads in twl would be a better idea. I don't know how many would be best, but it needs to be cut a bit. There just aren't enough solid foundation members to support the the amount of squads in twl.

[Miku19]

Avalonian isn't a dueling squad. Avalonian just places a bunch of warbirds in and hopes for the best.


That said, Grapevine is going to concentrate on baselevving full time since we don't qualify for a dueling squad either.

[Divine Rides]

err

I fucked up yo. I'm stupid stupid stupid

[JeBu]

They should just stop TWL-J and TWL-D because duellers just don't know what loyalty is.

i agree they arent real leagues

[Awesome]

The only reasons basers are so loyal is because it takes more time to find people to fit each ship.

I admit, most dueliers/javers are not loyal... but most of the twl calibre ones are... the rest are just hopping around from twd squad to twd squad hoping to land on the next replacement squad.

Pallies, Pirates, Syndicate, -Final-, Sk8, Ancients, Grapevine, and Disoblige all have their fair share of loyal players. The rest are either not playoff calibre squads, or replacement squads who are just there to play a game or two.

The solution to the squad hopping amongst the lower dueling/jav squads would simply be to make the leagues have only 12 teams each. This would make atleast some competitiveness among the top twd squads.

With basers, i think they'd hop just as much if they thought it'd get them on a better squad. The only problem is it's harder to get recognized in basing since recs dont really seem to matter.

I mean, look what happened when one guy got like 70-0 in base terr or something like that... he used that 15 minutes of fame to hop to every squad he could. I think we all know who i'm talking about.

[Ephemeral]

In base you play with other people....
In Elim you play with yourself.....
So Elim should be renamed to Masturbation.

[Awesome]

obviously you've never seen the teaming in elims

ps: elim = masterbation...? so base = gay orgy?

[Fruitang]

If TWL were to be cut down to 12 teams, there needs to be a rethink of the policy of replacing dead TWL Squads. For example: there was once a mini weekend tournament to find a new replacement squad for Zero Hour in TWLB Season 1 (5) which Onix won.

If we were to go back to this format it would benefit in many ways:
1. Members of a team would have to stay for much longer than 1 hour, and therefore the more active squads would have a better chance of getting into TWL.
2. This eradicates newbie squads who only play other newbie squads and get 1 (not that low but you know what I mean) TWD rating point per game to get to the top of the ladder.
3. Creates more interest in the TWD ladder as there will be weak squads and strong squads in the mini tournament but to be fair, looking at the current state of the TWD ladders, games between many of the highest ranking squads could go either way so it comes down to whoever plays better on the day.

Dependant on time restrictions, there should be at least 4 teams playing. 1st in the ladder vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd with a best of 3 play-off like format but it could be possible to bump the d and j tournys up to 8 teams (1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5) and have a 1 round game in the first two rounds and a best of 3 for the final. Basing should be no more than 4 teams because there are only a few decent basing squads and few who actually give a shit about it.

The tournys should only take place in 1 week and any games that that replacement squad should have played would then be played in week 11.

Actually this policy for replacing TWL squads would be better than the current format. In all honesty, it sucks. Sure, sometimes you have runaway leaders but what if the top 2 or 3 teams are separated by 10 points or so? Such as Incuria and Spastic in TWLJ at the moment. Basing is usually always close too. So this has gone from becoming just an idea to a call of scrapping the current system of replacing TWL squads.

[Awesome]

i fully agree.

the twd system doesnt work

a tourny system like that would atleast make them work for their spot instead of leeching points of really weak teams

they might then appreciate their spot in twl enough to actually make it last and play all their games

[Ephemeral]

obviously you've never seen the teaming in elims

ps: elim = masterbation...? so base = gay orgy?

LOL..good point, but shouldn't it be just 'orgy'?

Wait, given the recent egotistical decline in Base, perhaps it should be called 'circle jerk'?