TWL ratings

[Nipple Nibbler]

So I was thinking of attempting some sort of basic formula to come up with player ratings for players participating in TWL from my stats sheets. Picking the stats to pull from is the easy part, the hard part however is deciding how much weight to put into each stat. So I guess what I am asking from the players is:

Which stats do you guys feel have the biggest impact? For example in basing ships ft probably the least important.

In no order here are the stats I am thinking of using for each ship:

WARBIRD:

wins, kills, deaths, knockouts, mvp

JAVELIN:

wins, kills, deaths, tks, knockouts, mvp

SPIDER:

wins, kills, deaths, ft, tek, mvp

TERRIER:

wins, kills, deaths, ft, tek

SHARK:

wins, kills, tks, ft, tek, erpd

[roro]

Knockouts can range from most important to least, especially now with plenty of blowout games.

if its possible to give extra points for first and/or second knockout it might be worthwhile

[Rab]

already did the work for making formulas that produce values that allow wb/jav/base to be compared to each other and value the things that matter
feel free to use it, or extend it, w/e, pretty dense info, take time to read it all carefully.
https://forums.trenchwars.com/forum/...ula-discussion

[Nipple Nibbler]

~TERRIER~

Transparency:

So I came up with a very BASIC rating for Terrier. I would like to avoid anything overly complicated because well, easier for people to follow. I also figured Terrier would be the easiest to start with the least amount of players playing said ship to see how it turns out.

win = 20 points
kill =1 point
tek = 5 points
death = -5 points

divided by time played

anyone under 80 mins played gets a fat 0

Then I divided it by time played to get a rating per minute stat and threw it up on the google sheet for giggles. I would add in spider kills like Claushouse does which I do feel is important but I feel you shouldn't do that without some way to add in shark effectiveness as well. Especially since sharks are way more important. This put mikkiz in 1st, which was to be expected, he is a great terr with a great team. What wasn't expected was this put Claushouse and Pressure hilariously close together in the rating.

[Nipple Nibbler]

~SPIDER~

I tried to tackle spider ratings today. Terrier seemed to cap at just under 2.00, so the goal will be to have spider and shark both stay near but under 2.00. I put a heavier weight on spider for Teks because any idiot can sit on a back wall and get good stats however teks from spiders usually require pushing. I avoided adding FT to the equation because under spiders rarely get near the flag. This is not a final rating just a first pass but here is what I went with, trying to keep it simple again:

win = 20 points
kill = 0.25 points
death = -0.25 points
Tek = 10 points

anyone under 80 mins played gets a fat 0

Again divided by time played.

This ended up pushing spiders like Turban and Dreamwin and Tj Hazuki higher up due to heavy weight on teks, This is fine for Turban and Dreamwin, but Tj Hazuki ended up a little too high on the list with an awful 1.19 K/D (no offence intended Tj). I may have to put a heavier weight on deaths. Pushing is a good thing, but only going 1-1 does not net your team any real advantage, especially when you get free kills from sharks. Other spiders like Ease and Spezza ended further down than I expected, oddly enough since both names frequently pop up in "best active spider" conversations.

[Nipple Nibbler]

~SHARK~

Not working today (yay) so with extra time on my hands I also took a lame attempt at shark and plan on doing Warbird and Javelin ones today as well. I will steal the idea from rab's post for RPD and go for a more static approach for RPD with set values for 3.0, 2.9, etc. Sharks ratings are the hardest to do especially while trying to keep it simple.

win = 20 points
kill = 1 point
tk = -6 points
tek = 15 points

and for rpd:
above 3.0 = 100 points
2.9 to 3.0 = 75 points
2.8 to 2.9 = 50 points
2.7 to 2.8 = 25 points
2.6 to 2.7 = 10 points
anything less is 0

anyone under 80 mins played gets a fat 0

divided by time played.

-EDIT-
increase penalty for tks
decreased rpd points

[Nipple Nibbler]

~WARBIRD & JAVELIN~

These were easier to do, since I don't really need the numbers to match other ships like in basing. I didn't end up adding mvp into the mix.

kill = 1 point
death = -1point
tk = -2 points
knockout = 3 points
win = 7 points

divided by time played

Wins might be weighted too heavily, knockouts feels right but I am a baser so I could be clueless there. I still want to add them in simply because turning a match from 5v5 to 5v4 in just about anything changes it up quite a bit.

-edit-
lowered win points from 10 to 7.

[beam]

change ur stats to not include a modifier for time played in wb/jav that's stupid as hell to include since every game is to 50 deaths unlike base where game length variations are actually relevant to stats and ur also rewarding ppl more for fast wins which are vs bad teams and making the longer more competitive games worth less which is really stupid

[beam]

also remove quarter final and make it regular season since only 4 teams played qf

[Nipple Nibbler]

also remove quarter final and make it regular season since only 4 teams played qf

Because of playoff games being only a few games, I don't really want to make up a bunch of more sheets to separate the season from the playoffs. However in the hidden sheets that I put the data into, it can be easily separated at a later date. If there is a way to possibly get access to stats from previous TWL seasons I would gladly do the work to make up some sort of a "total twl" stats and separate playoffs from seasons.

[Nipple Nibbler]

change ur stats to not include a modifier for time played in wb/jav that's stupid as hell to include since every game is to 50 deaths unlike base where game length variations are actually relevant to stats and ur also rewarding ppl more for fast wins which are vs bad teams and making the longer more competitive games worth less which is really stupid

On TWD the current top 10 Warbirds on there? Yea 4 of them (bigking spezza jack warrior) aren't even going 1-1, just pointing that out....

On the PM about not having wins into the equation, I ran a test. The top 10 Warbirds with the current rating are:
1) racka
2) vys <---(barely meets the minimum time played requirement)
3) lasenza
4) best
5) ease
6) mythril
7) ro
8) beam
9) lockdown
10) okyo

If I take wins out of the equation this list barely changes, Ro drops out of top 10 and Saiyan enters. It looked like this:
1) lasenza
2) racka
3) best
4) vys <---(barely meets the minimum time played requirement)
5) beam
6) ease
7) mythril
8) okyo
9) saiyan
10) lockdown

And here is the current ratings without dividing by time played
1) lasenza
2) mythril
3) best
4) saiyan
5) okyo / racka
7) ro
8) ease / flew
10) iron survivor

The top 10 list does not change much, just shuffles players around a bit. This was only a first pass at the ratings and it appears to already be better than the TWD ones. It will need to be tweaked here and there, however I do feel that time played and wins are relevant stats and if we remove too many things from the ratings well....we may as well just sort it by K/D.