TWLB Semi-finals Plade vs. Fire Appeal

[Jessup]

I've literally seen 4 appeals every time ogron loses something in the last 3 years. Its embarrassing . Lag happens .. especially in base...get over it.

[2pac]

Yes, javs have been used in basing, but saying this particular usage is allowed just because it isn't explicitly stated as cheating would be the most american thing to say.

The rules clearly state that any bug/glitch abuse/exploit is forbidden in Trench Wars. Just because you are able to do it doesn't mean you are allowed to. As it was exploited while knowing of the bugs existence it would suggest this rule was violated. I will not make any call on this however as I'm partially to blame for it happening in the first place. Instead I would just ask, is this the way you'd want to succeed in life?

zidane is guilty of doing the same bug as DW did. Look at the history a tw OP doing it makes it fair for DW to do it. Precedence is set

[BIET]

Ive seen people use jav in basing nothing new, no cheat. Rules clearly allow this and it isn't cheating since there nothing defined for it!

Yes, javs have been used in basing, but saying this particular usage is allowed just because it isn't explicitly stated as cheating would be the most american thing to say.

The rules clearly state that any bug/glitch abuse/exploit is forbidden in Trench Wars. Just because you are able to do it doesn't mean you are allowed to. As it was exploited while knowing of the bugs existence it would suggest this rule was violated. I will not make any call on this however as I'm partially to blame for it happening in the first place. Instead I would just ask, is this the way you'd want to succeed in life?

[2pac]

Ive seen people use jav in basing nothing new, no cheat. Rules clearly allow this and it isn't cheating since there nothing defined for it!

[Pressure]

I don't really have a stance yet, I need to sit with it for some more time. If replay is on the table, replaying a single game one week later would feel odd. Replaying the entire best of 3 series may be better.

[ogron]

the claim that Fire would've definitely gone on to win the game. Again, pure conjecture. The game was 14-14.

1) No, it was 14:25 - 13:54

2) We had a cram with all 5 spiders alive, you had 2 spiders in weak position and were nowhere near being able to break in time to win. That's a dominant, winning position with only 35 seconds left. By the time you get enough spids alive, kill our entire team, break, and dive flag, the game is already over.

[renzi]

Replay with Fire having a 29 second head start

[BIET]

The ship being invisible when changing/resetting ships within the normal respawn time is a bug of the game which we are unable to fix. However, there are ways to prevent the bug from ever happening in the first place by never changing/resetting a player within the respawn time frame.

What frustrates me is the fact that such a feature is currently present in MatchBot. Hell, I even added it myself last year, but, for some reason I can't recall, the feature is either disabled or not present in any of the basing game modes.

So this could all have been prevented. I've let you all down big time, and for that I'm well and truly sorry.

[Rab]

Also, saying Zid had "0" reps is an irrelevant argument because you play slower as a shark when you know there is a Jav.

Also because there are 5 spiders on the team who would have been shooting at a jav if there was a jav to shoot at.

[Singer]

that video from the past TWDT is again just a show of dreamwin bombing a defenseless cram regardless of his ship being visible.. again the enemy team had no shark to rep in that instance

these all seem like some bad examples, does this bug exploit somehow make dreamwin's ship invincible or somethin?
if all this does is make dreamwin invisible for .5 seconds then who the fuck cares, I've seen laggers in this game having better advantages than that and no one has asked to ban them for "cheating"

we all know that if that bug was so easy to pull off Fire would have been the first ones to take advantage of it, buncha nerds that will do anything to win, if all else fails try to appeal it lol

in the end dreamwin was just at the right place right time and did a good bomb when your cram was left open to be bombed... were you expecting him to wait 2 seconds to bomb just in case he might not be visible for you guys? the fuck is that lol

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[Unlimited]

Pretty lame dreamwin did that. Even more lame that the bug even exists. Not gonna lie I get dw, the game was over.. done.. there’s not really a negative in exploiting a bug, if it doesn’t work well the game is over, and if it does work and they win because of it.. well here we are discussing it and has at least a small chance of getting away with it.. lame af and should obviously be replayed.

Dreamwin knew 100% what he was doing, lets be real. He’s a smart dude who knows very well all the bugs that exist. It’s so sad to see vets, even worse a leader in the zone try to do such a thing.

[Nipple Nibbler]

Solution 1:

code the bot to not allow ship changes for dead players.

Solution 2:

disable specials in basing, they are all kinds of cheese anyways.

[2pac]

Zidane lost this and got outcoached simple fact sore loser should take a loss, he used the bug himself and now bitchs when someone did the same thing as him?

[Hulk]

Plade knowingly abused a bug and should be punished for it. I don't really care who wins at all but if this had happened to any of us we would all be making the same appeal.

Also, saying Zid had "0" reps is an irrelevant argument because you play slower as a shark when you know there is a Jav.

Idk what the right solution for this is because playing another match seems unfair to Fire but i'm glad it's not up to me.

[2pac]

Keep complaining Fire, you guys are sore losers and there are NO rules against shipchanging and spawntime.

Inconclusion regardless of screenshots of DW knowing or not it's up to STAFF to implement rules and enforce them and have them written, there's many rules written and not this because this is a bug that's known in Pub to base and thus twlb.

Don't fix what ain't broken and if bots and tw ops saw while it happened and nothing changed.