Idea for new TWL Qualification system.

[Rab]

1:JeBu> how about that u wouldnt just gain points from same squads if u play them too often

[Volny]

1:JeBu> how about that u wouldnt just gain points from same squads if u play them too often

Not a bad idea! But rather than receiving no points the points can be divided by slowly rising coeficient (rising acording how many matches u played with them in last day/week/month)

But sometimes especially not before TWL qualif there isnt much active squads and u have not many options to choose from. And sometimes you have like 4 matches in a row with same squad.
Still worth considering though.

[Sumpson]

So it is at least 27 squads who like to BD. Some likes to BD but dont win much like NS,WinMa.
Still like 25 squads who can compete (somehow). So if cca 12 squad autoinvite for next season there will be 4 slots open for more than 10 squads. It doesnt sound that bad, but WHY old TWLmembers can rest on their thrones and others have to fight just to get in? why should ever be someone autoinvited? If you are so good why you cant beat someone who according to you doesnt deserve to get into TWL so easily? And before you say that TWD points base system is wrong (for qualifiaction certainly isnt the best, but not worst either) dont forget that u got into TWL thanks the very same system.

And auto inviting will create bigger and even better well-established squads - good way how to create static and slowly dying community

Im not questioning how many squads should be in TWL, the amount of squads in TWL now seems to be fine. TWL is supposed to be as competitive as possible. wich it would be with my idea I believe. thanks the the TWD/TWL qualification system BasingCrew almost didn't get into league wich every other league squad would agree having them in. I have said a couple of times before in other post in this topic why the squads should get in this easily don't feel like telling you why again. Actually others don't have to fight to get back in TWL, they just need to prove they are worthly of a TWL spot to the other squads.

Estabalished squads would lower the squad hopping and thus actually help the community in a nice way.

[Sumpson]

We're not dumping the TWD system entirly, we need to fix it. Giving out Auto invites will do a few things:

1: It will make squads lazy since they don't have to run the course in TWD

2: It will make them less competitive (and about more then half of LB squads need to practice) since they won't practice as a team in TWD, and lets face it, if they don't have to do it... HUMANS WONT

3: Eventually we won't have squads leaving TWL, 16 stable squads will cover the league. If TWD is then seen as nothing important to actually competitive game play and skill then we will not have new players or squads to take over when the rare (won't happen for a year to 3 years) event of TWL squads disolving happens.

-New squads won't be able to compete in TWL since they can not get there by fairly showing that they can play in their division.

-new players won't be able to play since the 16 or so caps will look for only elite line ups. This will kill all new talent, for basing we need new players, new terrs ect.. this won't happen if non TWL players see that there's a chance in hell of getting in.

Auto invites for for squads who deserve the entry, if you want BC in talk to some TWL Ops, get you squad doing good in TWLB.

We would not dump the TWD system entirely with my idea, it will still be here, I do not believe it is only here because of the TWL. It is a great system to be able to play other squads in off-season with, which also gives you the option to have a vieuw on how your players played the match which no other zones even have like this as far as I know.

1 and 2 is pretty much the same. wich I also do not believe is true. the teams actually have a goal to play for right after the TWL, to practice for the next one! Does it really make squads active? all they have to do now is be active for one week and BD lower ranked squads wich is not too hard when you only need 5 players online for a BD.

Having 16 stable squads would take years if it would ever happen. (and competitive because of the 50% requalify rule, and the many other reasons I stated before.)
But it would be great! at that time we could actually make the league bigger and not hurt the competition in it.

I dont really get what you mean with "New squads won't be able to compete in TWL since they can not get there by fairly showing that they can play in their division." this might answer it:
Like I said many times before, there are always some squads who dissolve if they are truely worth of the TWL position they will get it.

New players have a bigger goal because there are more "elite" TWL squads wich they would love to join to choose from. There are always players leaving this game wich need replacement on a squad.

Don't try to take on me and my squad, try to take on the idea I'm proposing instead please.

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I notice you guys are starting to talk about how the TWD ladder should be fixed, there have been many discussions about that on this forum, I'm putting allot of effort on defending this idea and hope you talk about the idea im proposing instead in this thread.

[Cig Smoke]

Nah, that is a very bad idea. Pretend Spastic totally changed rosters and recruited 30 newbies from pub. Should they still be in TWLB next year?

Thats what happend to Pallies this off-season yet they still have there spot in TWL.

[Ephemeral]

Thinking 'outside the box', or perhaps I am just stoned...

Dump current system and implement a new one. New system has one requirement, a 500 word essay on 'Why We Deserve to be in the League", creativity, spelling, and grammar count. This would then raise the bar of intelligence for getting into the league, thereby avoiding this kind of crap every year. Frankly, I am not sure that we would end up with more than 10 teams in the league.

Another idea, charge for it. Perhaps $100 to play for the season, monies could go to help the TW server fund and/or to hire good staffers. BUT, the league would have to get its act together for this to happen since no one is going to pay to have rules interpreted 'on the fly'.


But seriously...what is the objective? The objective of the league is to do what? Grow? Help TW Zone in some way? What? Without knowing what the objective is how can anyone say for sure what needs to be done?

[Sumpson]

But seriously...what is the objective? The objective of the league is to do what? Grow? Help TW Zone in some way? What? Without knowing what the objective is how can anyone say for sure what needs to be done?

I am hoping a TWL Op will reply to this thread.

[Kolar]

Lets drop the shit, you want BasingCrew to have an auto invite.

-In the long run we won't see squads breaking up or anything like that, if it does happen it will be extreamly rare.

-New players will not be intrested in TWL or TWD since for TWD all real TWL and lesser TWL squads will not be part of it. The connection and what keeps TWD fun and competitive I believe is the chance to quilify for TWL. Once that's gone TWD will be meaning less.


People won't just do things randomly and we can't hope that they'll continue to be competitive. As I said, humans will do what they want, when they want. We need to design a system in TWD that is more fair, balanced and fun. Lets drop this a move towards disscussing the problems in TWD and how we can fix them for next season because if any TWL ops see this they're gonna laugh their asses off.

If people see that they can't be part of TWL through skill and organization with a squad then they'll never want to base or duel, they won't want to be part of TWL since the odds of getting in are worse then joining staff. Random chance isn't bring forth the most competitive players, it isn't even fair to the public.TWL is a league, the best of the best in TW fight it out. To fairly have a league you need to let everyone and every squad have a chance at it.

[Sumpson]

Hey, Hey, Kolar, you are getting weak.

That post doesn't deserve a constructive reply, please leave this discussion and start up your own topic about how to create a TWD ladder where every squad would be able to enter league.

[Volny]

Hey, Hey, Kolar, you are getting weak.

That post doesn't deserve a constructive reply, please leave this discussion and start up your own topic about how to create a TWD ladder where every squad would be able to enter league.

Kollar is right - by those auto invitations u would only more separate TWD and TWL. Why do it? Why would ppl want to win? Of course points are good, but TWL is better "magnet"

[Sumpson]

Kollar is right - by those auto invitations u would only more separate TWD and TWL. Why do it? Why would ppl want to win? Of course points are good, but TWL is better "magnet"

If players/squads need TWL as goal to play good, they are weak players and don't belong in league anyway. I dont believe it would seperate it much more then it is seperated now, for example my squad BasingCrew only played a couple of TWBD games with the only intention of getting into league while every other league squad would want us in. While playing those games we felt pretty stupid for playing 5vs5 games versus easy squads just to get in league. Please don't come up with change the TWD ladder again. tell me whats wrong with the idea I'm proposing instead.

Edit: "Kolar is right"

Lets drop the shit, you want BasingCrew to have an auto invite.

This is wrong, I don't care if we auto-qualify next year or not that much to set up a topic about this. I did because I noticed how stupid the qualifying system is this year by having a squad like Ancients getting in league by beating all easy squads in TWBD with my squad BasingCrew almost getting pushed out, and look where BasingCrew is now at that funny ladder, ok, #3 at the moment. I do think this is a great idea and would help the TWL system. and thus I am putting allot of effort on this topic. By saying this he is trying to offend me and shows off having no control anymore wich seems weak to me.

if any TWL ops see this they're gonna laugh their asses off.

This is another way trying to offend me, while TWL Ops should be taking everything serious and consider it.

In the rest of his post he has been repeating everything what he said before instead of replying to my respond about it.

In the end he is saying "To fairly have a league you need to let everyone and every squad have a chance at it." It is like this at the moment and what we are trying to solve, he has even been advicing TWD ladder changes.

[Kolar]

Umm.. No. This is about changing the TWD and TWL systems, I can do whatever I want under those topics.

If the function of TWL is to help expand and grow the zone and provide a place where people can fairly compete at the highest level of skill and experience in the game then your ideas and changes wouldn't make the league out to be what it was intended for.

I'm tired of being the only one to look at this logically: Keeping most squads from ever being able to compete at this level isn't fair and will remove a lot of talent from ever being exposed and used in leagues. We're all in TWD, Everyone has a fair chance through skill and organization to be in TWL and I don't see TWD and TWL seperated, only under your changes would it be. If the meaning of TWL = finding, playing and using skill while keeping it balanced, open and fair then your ideas suck.

I've addressed all of your arguments, expossed the only real motivation behind your changes and suggested an alternative and real discussion that will be looked at by the TWL Ops. And you and me, we're Done. Rab, anyone else continue the TWD stuff.

[Volny]

Sumpson, why not create complete seperated league - something like TWLEB(D)(J) (E for elite) or TWLVB (V for vets or "voobs" ) only for invited.
This will secure high quality matches so noone will be forced to waste time in those silly 5-15 games.
I really dont feel that closing TWL more for new squads is good idea. Reason is that both good and novice should be able to qualify in TWD. And the damage to the system is I believe lower if one or two squad sneak into TWL by abusing the system than making it for new squads nearly impossible to get into. This will only create large pro squads where new players wont have chance.

[Sumpson]

Umm.. No. This is about changing the TWD and TWL systems, I can do whatever I want under those topics.

If the function of TWL is to help expand and grow the zone and provide a place where people can fairly compete at the highest level of skill and experience in the game then your ideas and changes wouldn't make the league out to be what it was intended for.

Any squad can compete against the highest level of skill in the TWD system. I forgot some people actually take the TWD ladder serious. But well they still can if no one tells them about how stupid it actually is <_<

I'm tired of being the only one to look at this logically: Keeping most squads from ever being able to compete at this level isn't fair and will remove a lot of talent from ever being exposed and used in leagues. We're all in TWD, Everyone has a fair chance through skill and organization to be in TWL and I don't see TWD and TWL seperated, only under your changes would it be. If the meaning of TWL = finding, playing and using skill while keeping it balanced, open and fair then your ideas suck.

You're logic is just different from mine. You have stated the same thing before and ignored my motivation again in this respond. Everyone would have a fair chance through skill and organization to be in TWL trough showing off in TWD with my system too. I dont get how "finding" could be a meaning of TWL. I dont think changing to my system would make squads top "playing" in the TWL. I have stated many times before in a pretty big respond why it would increase "skill & balanced" with my idea there will also be allot less squads dissolving mid season because TWL squads wich been here before will have a way smaller chance of dissolving, they would probably also make sure there won't be some squad joining league who everyone expects to die mid season. they might not be as open anymore but aint that why we all want to fix the TWD ladder?

I've addressed all of your arguments, expossed the only real motivation behind your changes and suggested an alternative and real discussion that will be looked at by the TWL Ops. And you and me, we're Done. Rab, anyone else continue the TWD stuff.

I haven't seen you adress any arguments of me with a respond about how motivation is wrong. I asked Rab to quit talking about how to change the TWD ladder in game because I think my Idea is real good and I put allot of time in this topic.

[Sumpson]

Sumpson, why not create complete seperated league - something like TWLEB(D)(J) (E for elite) or TWLVB (V for vets or "voobs" ) only for invited.
This will secure high quality matches so noone will be forced to waste time in those silly 5-15 games.
I really dont feel that closing TWL more for new squads is good idea. Reason is that both good and novice should be able to qualify in TWD. And the damage to the system is I believe lower if one or two squad sneak into TWL by abusing the system than making it for new squads nearly impossible to get into. This will only create large pro squads where new players wont have chance.

It wouldn't close it for new squads, there wouldn't be new squads needed to be created if they didn't dissolve, and if they did dissolve it wouldn't be closed anymore :P. I actually do think it is good to have #16 playing #1 it would be nice if there is more competition between those two tho (16 large pro squads eh ) and maybe at one point when possible being able to allow more squads into TWL.