Idea for new TWL Qualification system.

[Kolar]

Any squad can compete against the highest level of skill in the TWD system. I forgot some people actually take the TWD ladder serious. But well they still can if no one tells them about how stupid it actually is <_<

TWL means more then TWD, thus it brings out more real competitive play. It means more is what I was getting at. Your ideas change the league so that not everyone can pass into this level of game play through skill, only by chance can a squad enter TWL with one of the 16 leaving. This doesn't bring out the best, the ability of a squad and its players to show that they can play good in their division brings out the best and making the enviroment (I.E TWD) where they show that skill should be fair. (if you want a perfect example of how the system actually works good;Spastic: was new a few years ago, they came into LB and owned using a different tactic and new blood. Would they be where they are if not for the current system?).

Everyone would have a fair chance through skill and organization to be in TWL trough showing off in TWD with my system too.

not under your system. A fair chance would be competiting for the chance to enter, not waiting around for years to get in. This eventually will not breed competitive play in TWD, no one will be there to replace the rare TWL fall out, TWD and TWL become stale and dead.

We want to make the TWD ladder fair and balanced, we don't want to close TWL and damage it. It's simple, we fix TWD, make it fair and balanced so we dont end up with 5 ancients next season in TWLB and then start considering some new Auto invite squads. I don't even want to consider giving out auto invites to squads which Do not deserve them based on their skill and time in leagues.

I haven't seen you adress any arguments of me with a respond about how motivation is wrong. I asked Rab to quit talking about how to change the TWD ladder in game because I think my Idea is real good and I put allot of time in this topic.

You would make off with a free auto invite if your ideas were accepted. I can't see how anyone in TWL would find this system appealing or right for the current squads and way thing are; so i'm assuming your only real motivation knowing that this system would damage TWL, is to gain from it.


The topic is "how do we fix TWL quilfications" TWD ties into that. You can't tell someone not to post about something related to the topic. I'm not going to change your mind and you definatlly are not going to change mine or the TWL Ops if they see this thread. Leave it up to people to read it, I'm sure they'll discount it as a poor and faulty system in which real skill and compeitive play isn't allowed to grow.

Now if anyone wants to talk about TWD fixing, do so here or post a new thread. As I said before Sumpson, you and me are done on this topic.

[Sumpson]

Now if anyone wants to talk about TWD fixing, do so here or post a new thread. As I said before Sumpson, you and me are done on this topic.

Yet you state something and ask about this.

(if you want a perfect example of how the system actually works good;Spastic: was new a few years ago, they came into LB and owned using a different tactic and new blood. Would they be where they are if not for the current system?).

There will always be some free spots in TWL even with my system, and if not it would be great because then we could expand league with keeping the competition. I am sure the TWL squads would have noticed spastic and voted them in.

On a side note, I did not tell rab to quit talking about how to fix the TWD ladder, I asked him to which is a total different thing to me.

I don't need to reply to the rest of your post, the ones who need to know what I mean should understand.

[Kolar]

Yet you state something and ask about this.

We're done on this topic, nothing more will be done between you and me by posting so stop. Even though it is an open forum and you can do what you want, at least know when you've boiled the discussion down to nothing and at least from my point of view, it seems like a simple lack of accepting logical and know habits of players. When it does get to that point, I guess we might as well pull out our ?userid and ?usage listings because thats all that really matters at this point, who has been here long enough to know how the players work. I'm not willing to let it go that far so I'm asking you to stop.

There will always be some free spots in TWL even with my system, and if not it would be great because then we could expand league with keeping the competition. I am sure the TWL squads would have noticed spastic and voted them in.

We can not expand the leagues because there are limits to the number of games we can host on the weekends, this is also the arugment against having a spider league. If we do get stuck with 16 or so squads, as I've said 50 times already it will kill competitive play and not allow potential players to move up into TWL, just like in staff, we need some leaders, we need really good players and this system won't allow them to step up to the plate.

On a side note, I did not tell rab to quit talking about how to fix the TWD ladder, I asked him to which is a total different thing to me.

Symantics, in any case you should never ask or tell someone who is posting under the correct topic not to give their opinion.

Again we're done.

Edit:
Look Sumpson, you're being a dick about this now. When talking with you becomes so fucking annoying and when your ideas are so completely wrong I said just drop it. If you want the TWL Ops to read all of this and not call you a moron, why not show them that you can at least talk about your ideas with other distinguished players? If you can't be civil with me and keep things centered to actually making leagues progressive and fun then you really don't deserve a voice on this forum. You obviously don't want to talk about fixing TWL and TWD, you just want an Auto Invite. There's nothing wrong with that but purposing a system where the league would be damaged just isn't something that we can do and I see no way that you can justify it by ignoring simple facts about SS players.

[Sumpson]

I guess we're done when you say so :fear:

Anyway I dont feel the need to defend the system I have been proposing on your last post, it's ok if you stop posting in here now I guess..

Edit: I do feel the need to reply to your edit.

I propose an idea, wich you disagree with and I'm supposed to drop it? then I'm being a dick for not dropping it. Have a look at yourself instead please.

I find it hard to ignore it when people try to offend me for disagreing with the idea im proposing and thus reply to almost everything you say in here to share my thougts on this idea. I was really holding back on this reply wich makes me a dick for not going into detail about your statements while I was supposed to drop it?

Again, I'm not going into detail on your statements of my idea because I'm supposed to drop that, wich I will, but only to you.

[Sumpson]

I would rather talk about the idea I'm proposing, but not with Kolar since he's starting to offend me and I'm supposed to drop it in his opinion.

[Cig Smoke]

I dont think the auto-invite is such a big deal to sumpson and basingcrew. Have u forgot that they qualified on there own the past 2 seasons? Also ppl are predicting BC to be very good this season and probably make playoffs, which in the current system we have is auto-qualify anyway. I think its stupid to say thats the only reason he wants it.

[JeBu]

Well maybe it would be good idea that more squads get invited. i actually said it to sumpson on first place in squad chat and he tought it more. i just tought it would make squads more stable, less dissolving less squadhopping.
but i think that all squads shouldn't get auto-invite because ofcourse twl needs come kind of cycle. We need just new TWD system so squads can't abuse it what have happened last seasons. And if it would be more reliable then we could place each squad to TWL conferences from ladder, right now it's random.

example:
left right
#1 #2
#3 #4
.............

New System:

If someone on rank 9 would play 10 matches against squads lower than rank 5 system wouldn't let them gain points before they have played someone over top 5. that way squads would play more against each other.

and about 5v5 and 6v6 games i think everybody agree it's not really basing.
how about if squads wouldnt gain points from those matches but would be able to play 5v5 6v6 just for prac so if match havent started 7v7 or 8v8 stem wouldn't give points.


hope u get even my point

ps. we need better twd system

[bloodzombie]

I really couldn't read all of this, so skip this if you want

You can't auto-qualify every squad. That's how it was, it was changed to playoff squads because a few squads just kept living even though they constantly lost.

People who say it should be all or none, that doesn't make any sense to me. I say drop the bottom few to make room for up and coming squads. What better place to make the cutoff than the squads that make the playoffs? Also remember that the time between leagues (in theory) will be a lot less from now on. Giving squads less time to change. I think this part of the system is perfect for the expected frequency of TWL seasons. It slides a bit when you have a year in between seasons.

But in the end... auto-qualification is the very least of our problems. The TWD system is where the real issue is. Fix that first, then tweak the rest.

[Kolar]

You're getting personal with me, you can talk about what you want but keep it on the topic. You replying to me isn't adding to the topic and it isn't constuctive so I asked you to stop since it's beyond the current topic and will harm any attempts people have at talking about reforming TWL and TWD. You're being a dick for trying to get the last word. I'm sure you will reply to this though, even if it's to say you're not going to reply to my statments but for the sake of not having this thread trashed anymore and have the opinions on repairing twd and twl junked by an smod, lets stop.

Your ideas are very radical and harmful to the league because of the way league squads and players work, anyone would say that if they gave 2 seconds of constuctive thought to it. That's why I questioned your intentions. I can't see any one actually wanting a TWL system like this, I cant see anyone actually thinking it would be "good" or compeititve so that's it Cig.

All play off squads should at least be considered for Auto invite in my opinion, BZ is right, squads were not dying after getting killed in the regular season.

[Sumpson]

Well maybe it would be good idea that more squads get invited. i actually said it to sumpson on first place in squad chat and he tought it more. i just tought it would make squads more stable, less dissolving less squadhopping.
but i think that all squads shouldn't get auto-invite because ofcourse twl needs come kind of cycle. We need just new TWD system so squads can't abuse it what have happened last seasons. And if it would be more reliable then we could place each squad to TWL conferences from ladder, right now it's random.

example:
left right
#1 #2
#3 #4
.............

New System:

If someone on rank 9 would play 10 matches against squads lower than rank 5 system wouldn't let them gain points before they have played someone over top 5. that way squads would play more against each other.

and about 5v5 and 6v6 games i think everybody agree it's not really basing.
how about if squads wouldnt gain points from those matches but would be able to play 5v5 6v6 just for prac so if match havent started 7v7 or 8v8 stem wouldn't give points.


hope u get even my point

ps. we need better twd system

The cycle will still be here, there will always come new squads into the league with my system. Because there will always be squads wich dissolve (or not keep %50), wich will be the lower ranked squads who loose all their games mainly wich don't belong in TWL anyway. If they do survive with 50% of their roster, I think they have only become stronger and they also desirve some credit for this.
If there will come a time when the cycle has stopped with 16 stable league squads the league could become bigger wich would help the community by having more competitive stable squads to choose from as a newcomer.

About this new system you would like to implement with getting a more stable TWD, it is good one! but there is already some sort of thing like this this league, all league squads are supposed to send the squad list ranked #1 till #16 I think this is actually better then any TWD system could represent.

It would be a good thing if the TWD ladder is more representive to the skill of a squad but it does not matter for TWL qualification anymore with the system I'm proposing, having all league squads pick the most skilled/stable squads into league, wich I believe is a real good way for getting new squads in, the TWL squad captains are one of the most dedicated players in the zone and am sure would make the right decision. I have also stated some more motivations for this before in this thread.

and yes, 5vs5 and 6vs6 games aint really basing

[Sumpson]

I really couldn't read all of this, so skip this if you want

You can't auto-qualify every squad. That's how it was, it was changed to playoff squads because a few squads just kept living even though they constantly lost.

People who say it should be all or none, that doesn't make any sense to me. I say drop the bottom few to make room for up and coming squads. What better place to make the cutoff than the squads that make the playoffs? Also remember that the time between leagues (in theory) will be a lot less from now on. Giving squads less time to change. I think this part of the system is perfect for the expected frequency of TWL seasons. It slides a bit when you have a year in between seasons.

But in the end... auto-qualification is the very least of our problems. The TWD system is where the real issue is. Fix that first, then tweak the rest.

Gotta say about the same thing I just replyed to JeBu in here, mainly having to keep %50 procent of a weak squad is very hard and almost impossible I believe.

You could atleast read my first post My idea is mainly to prevent squads wich don't belong in TWL to get in it. (By having the TWL squads pick the squads to get in) This way it wouldn't be needed to fix the TWD system for TWL qualifications.

I have stated allot of more motivations on these arguments you could read them if you are interested.

[Anduril.]

Bad idea. Come up with a better idea and try again.
Thread closed. -_-

[bloodzombie]

, mainly having to keep %50 procent of a weak squad is very hard and almost impossible I believe.
.

That's just not true. The whole reason that we started dropping the bottom squads was because of squads like british squad and melee who just kept going even though they were terrible.

[Sumpson]

Bad idea. Come up with a better idea and try again.
Thread closed. -_-

Me having a bad Idea, You being a smart guy.

That's just not true. The whole reason that we started dropping the bottom squads was because of squads like british squad and melee who just kept going even though they were terrible.

Good, I did not know about this, but look where they are now, dead. (aint that what BS is now? I dont think they have anyone they used to have) I think it would actually help the TW community by keeping those squads alive. (If you wonder why, I have stated several motivations for this before in this thread)

[bloodzombie]

You could easily argue that the only reason they're dead is because they stopped receiving a free pass into leagues.

Keeping them alive only to show up every season to lose every game cannot be a good thing.