The Age Old Question:

[Eggs R Evil]

Anyway, 4 spider limit is really retarded. Fix the ships instead of just bandaid fixing the problem.

Even if they'd want to fix the ships it's hard to get them tested properly. And it's not like jav, lanc and wb are that weak. If u increase them in strenght without decent testing they'll probably either be overpowered or u barely notice the difference and ppl just continue not using them.

Although of course in theory a 4 spid limit isn't an ideal solution, it's the most realistic one. Perhaps u could make jav/lanc/wb slightly more powerful AND have the spidlimit.

[Hero*]

Everybody that suggests a limit to 4 spiders: why do you want this? I've never seen a team (last TWL) play a jav/wb/lanc, other then pallies or the teams that wouldn't make it into the playoffs. I don't understand. You're all saying make it a 4spid limit. Why don't you use a jav in a basing match? You're not even giving it a shot. For instance, in twBd, why dont you just use a jav instead of waiting till TWL starts to try to recruit one if its a 4spid limit. I say make your own lineup, if you really want a jav/wb/lanc, use one, or even 2,3.

[Eggs R Evil]

Javs lost in TWL-B season 6. But I think this might be because the spids that played in the teams with a jav had a different mentality (less of a killer mentality) than the spids that played in the teams with 5 spids (like spastic and camisade).

Anyway, ppl remember that 5 spids won so they play 5 spids now.

[Fit of Rage]

CrvenBan in jav got Diso into the TWLB 7 playoffs. All three games we needed to win were against 5 spider teams. I'm saying all around, make it more competative by having every squad forced to learn something new. Any yuppie can hop in a spider and be decent (ex: me).

[Kawrae]

The best way would be to ask all TWLB squad captains their opinion about this. Dont see why you would put up a poll in here, it's about the TWLB squads who play it. So whats the reason for putting it up?

There are more players than only TWLB squads caps. This goes for everybody so why not let everybody vote. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Sumpson]

There are more players than only TWLB squads caps. This goes for everybody so why not let everybody vote. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

If you pick the right squad it wont be just the captains vote! But everyone's vote on this squad, and thus every TWLB player which is what matters. If your Captain doesn't allow you to vote, well you know what place you are which will probably not be in the favor of this captain.

[Tibro]

whats the need to limit the spids?

if squads wanna play with a jav they're free to do so.. all limiting spids will do is add a newb in a jav who will tk each team and fuck off their team mates

[Nickname]

I voted no because I didn't read it cariffly and voted for the wrong one. 4 spiders is so much better, and anybody with the argument saying that "not everybody had a nockm or whatever so they shouldn't be forced to play with a jav" well your forced to play with only two sharks, not everybody has two great sharks, some teams have 7 great sharks, so lets let them use them....wait, that would be gay, just like 5 spiders.

[leroy]

Just to point out a few things.

Season 6 and those that came afterwards don't quite compare because there was one major change to basing that made a 5 spider lineup all the more inviting. Flag time. The games turned from being a case of milking your opponent to simply defending the flag room, terriers became so much more valuable and became in my opinion much more cowardly since the price of their death meant much much more than it did in the previous season.

And while we're talking about history, Incuria made the playoffs last season despite playing a crap jav for many games. It's a big risk, but it paid off sometimes.

Cheers,

leroy.

[Server]

LOL!

Ignorance is a bliss. There's plenty of time for every single basing squad there to recruit/train a special ship in time for october. Your point is totally stupid. Every squad doesn't have a Nockm, but every squad could have a Nockm if there was a limit.

This is exactly what i was about to say. And in fact.. there are many better basejavs than those who are getting credits for being a good basejav, like Nockm. Many just dont get a shot because most of the captains are afraid of using jav that doesnt have the reputation of elitebasejav. Anyways.. i dont really care if there's a limit or no. But it would make games more interesting.

[JacKieChan>]

Yes to 4 spider limit

YES-there should be a 4 spider limit and more changes allowed.

Lets break away from TWLY. trench wars league yawn.

5v5 spiders is a huge yawn fest, lets spice it up.

[Cig Smoke]

If its such a yawn fest then quit..OR better yet if ur squad wants to play with a jav then do it! We now have shipswitches, meaning if ur jav isnt working within the 1st few minutes then u change him to spider or whatever ship u want too. ITs not like u have to play 5 spiders from start to end every single match.

With the limit ur limiting us squads/captains to what we can and cant do. That isnt right. I dont see why a squad should have to play a special ship if he doesnt want to. Without a limit u can play any lineup any way u want to.

[Eggs R Evil]

Btw if we're gonna have a 4 spid limit lets have stricter lag limits for at least least jav and wb (stricter than for other ships). Or do we already have those?

[Crossfirez]

I vote for no spid limits.

[genocidal]

This picks up popularity every year but it never ends up panning out because people back down realizing how illogical it is. For once I agree with Cig, let the captains decide per match what ships they want to play. Nothing is stopping Nockm from playing his javelin or Fire Whatever from warbirding for RB. So let's not stop a player from spidering.

The games aren't more creative when you force teams to throw in a jav or wb - unless you consider creative as being poorer quality games. I understand teams with a strong cram are frustrating but there's a reason their cram is so strong. Let's not focus on how to change the rules to make the strong-cramming squads weaker but more on how to change the entrance perhaps to make the cram weaker. Like Stab said, all the 4 spider limit would do is fuck up some good teams and make for less fun and skill-involved games - we need the map changed or possibly ships changed.

I dunno, to me the argument is cut and dry. A fifth spider doesn't give an advantage to a team like a levi would (which is why it's illegal) so why make it illegal? If a team wants a javelin now as it is, they can have it. It should be left at that.