TWL Starting When?

[Sumpson]

just because last season finished on a good note doesnt mean the bots are flawless. in fact there were big issues that you just dont know. dont assume staffs dont care about the league just because things arent going your way. Grow up.

Bots seemed good enough to me to roll for another season, but you tell me there are big issues I dont know. Ok very impressive, why even tell this when you can not tell what kind of issues? You atleast don't care to explain us what's wrong with the bots and what needs to be done which is information the players should be getting when waiting all this time for the league to start.
Try not to attack people in here with your posts, but try to help like your supposed to as staff like Pred_FNM does.

[death row]

Bots seemed good enough to me to roll for another season, but you tell me there are big issues I dont know. Ok very impressive, why even tell this when you can not tell what kind of issues? You atleast don't care to explain us what's wrong with the bots and what needs to be done which is information the players should be getting when waiting all this time for the league to start.
Try not to attack people in here with your posts, but try to help like your supposed to as staff like Pred_FNM does.

Neth wasn't attacking, it was you that tried to attack. You're trying to insinuate that "staff doesn't care." Who are you to say they don't care? Do you KNOW what goes on behind the scenes? Do you know the "exact" issues they are looking at? If Neth said that there are some things they're still concerned about, then take it for what its worth.

These guys aren't getting paid, so why should they feel obligated to tell you every damn detail on what is going on. He said there is work still to be done, there, thats your information. If you want more information, actually try and HELP them, you'll get more details then.

[Sumpson]

Neth wasn't attacking, it was you that tried to attack. You're trying to insinuate that "staff doesn't care." Who are you to say they don't care? Do you KNOW what goes on behind the scenes? Do you know the "exact" issues they are looking at? If Neth said that there are some things they're still concerned about, then take it for what its worth.

These guys aren't getting paid, so why should they feel obligated to tell you every damn detail on what is going on. He said there is work still to be done, there, thats your information. If you want more information, actually try and HELP them, you'll get more details then.

I dont KNOW whats behind the scenes, all I can do is assume what is because they dont care to tell, its not just me who needs the information, I dont care that much about it but feel strongly everyone is supposed to know whats going on and why are they making us wait. They do choose to take this possition as staff, and since they do I think they should take it seriously and thus take responsibility.
How could anyone even HELP them if they dont tell with what excactly they need help?

[Capital Knockers]

I dont KNOW whats behind the scenes, all I can do is assume what is because they dont care to tell, its not just me who needs the information, I dont care that much about it but feel strongly everyone is supposed to know whats going on and why are they making us wait. They do choose to take this possition as staff, and since they do I think they should take it seriously and thus take responsibility.
How could anyone even HELP them if they dont tell with what excactly they need help?

Then ask how you could help, or start to help. That's what I did, now I'm looking into the stuff Kolar talked about. I want twl to start as much as the next guy, but I agree with drow here. Your going on about this, and not taking any action. The problem is bots, the website needs updates and etc. They can't post the exact problem, because only a small percentage of people would understand the coding and whatnot. So take Kolars advice, I will. If people really want twl to start, well let's start helping instead of just bitching eh?

[Nethila]

i have said many times in the past, in many difference threads about the problems about bots last season. THey dont connect to the database, so after every week, twl staffs literally have to go into the database and input all the stats manually, changing games from 'negotiated' to 'played', do this and do that. it takes alot of time and can be easily messed up.

honestly, if you care so much about this league, you would actually read some of the things peoople post here and keep them in mind. Not just go about and say "you dont care about this, you dont care about that"

staff gets help from twdev, if you want to help, by all means, go join twdev. dont just come here and attack staffs like an obssessed idiot.

[genocidal]

March 23. You heard it here first.

[Sumpson]

Im not interested in helping staff which is calling players obssessed idiots who care about playing league. It shouldn't be needed anyway.
Get to know what needs to be done excactly, find the right players to do this and ask them how long it would take to get this done, then let the players know when league will be started.
I think its wrong to say league is going to start some date, then around that date think, oh yeah we need to set up this league, what needs to be done? dunno who could actually.. get to know what can be done and what can't be done. If you're not capable of holding up a website which works with bots, don't, if you think you can, then why would it need to take this long? The right time to get things done for next league would be right after the last one, not on the date the next one is supposed to start. Because of this it seems staff does not care and are lacking to me.
The way I would like to help is coordinate, since I believe this is where things seem to go wrong. And is why I was saying on a lighter note earlier "Up to who is the starting date? replace the guy!" I believe the date being suggested could be reasonable. To me it seems staff likes their title, and do stuff when being bugged to do so, the one being bugging them is supposed to be the coordinator, not the players.

[Izor]

Hell I'd manually type in the info myself to the site. It's gotta only take like half an hour. You can very easily find 3 people - one for each league - to do that. Or you can continue to let bot developers spend hour after hour on something theyre obviously having a lot of difficulty with.

[PredatoR_FNM]

Sumpson, when we said date for twl last time we did not know that there was going to be so many people leaving from the core of people who were doing stuff for twl.

Kudos for Nethila updating manually database's etc. last TWL. I was there to witness it.

Izor, we have never even found 2 people to write every week Hot/Not from community.
Thats what I always remember when community tryes to give theyr help.

Now, bugger off!

[Capital Knockers]

Sumpson, when we said date for twl last time we did not know that there was going to be so many people leaving from the core of people who were doing stuff for twl.

Kudos for Nethila updating manually database's etc. last TWL. I was there to witness it.

Izor, we have never even found 2 people to write every week Hot/Not from community.
Thats what I always remember when community tryes to give theyr help.

Now, bugger off!

Ok, I'll back up Nethila, and give him props for the updating. Although, not being able to find someone for hot or not? I'm calling bullshit on that one. I'd love to do it this year if you actually cant find someone. Plenty of people would like to do that. Problem is, only a few are actually respected/old enough to do a good job of it, or be asked to do it period.

Sumpson, if your not willing to help. You don't have the right to bitch about a free game. Good time to jump out bro.

[Kolar]

Im not interested in helping staff which is calling players obssessed idiots who care about playing league. It shouldn't be needed anyway.
Get to know what needs to be done excactly, find the right players to do this and ask them how long it would take to get this done, then let the players know when league will be started.
I think its wrong to say league is going to start some date, then around that date think, oh yeah we need to set up this league, what needs to be done? dunno who could actually.. get to know what can be done and what can't be done. If you're not capable of holding up a website which works with bots, don't, if you think you can, then why would it need to take this long? The right time to get things done for next league would be right after the last one, not on the date the next one is supposed to start. Because of this it seems staff does not care and are lacking to me.
The way I would like to help is coordinate, since I believe this is where things seem to go wrong. And is why I was saying on a lighter note earlier "Up to who is the starting date? replace the guy!" I believe the date being suggested could be reasonable. To me it seems staff likes their title, and do stuff when being bugged to do so, the one being bugging them is supposed to be the coordinator, not the players.

Unless you're involved in the development process it is not important or worth the time of the coders to explain every specific problem. I can't give an editor, a problem set and let some script kiddies/uneducated players make TWL happen. Work has been on going since the end of the last TWL season and these people are working without pay and on their own time. If it were me I would be learning or making the big bucks but they're here doing it for free. Until those problems are worked out TWL staff is not going to start it, unless you are in the know about everything dealing with the bot situation don't assume everything is A-OK.


This has nothing to do with staffers not caring. We lost two higher up coders and some other coders slacked off or left but now things are getting done as I said in my other post. If twl staff said "stfu, we'll do it when we want ect.." then maybe you could call them on this and say they're being lazy or apathetic towards this zone but as of yet TWL staff has been more then reasonable in dealing with the more reasonable half of the players here. Unless you're in the know don't bring stupid shit here.

[Miku19]

Izor, we have never even found 2 people to write every week Hot/Not from community.
Thats what I always remember when community tryes to give theyr help.

Hot or Not is optional for TWL. What we're talking about here is something that's keeping TWL from starting.

[Zerzera]

Hm, but those coders were so dedicated to the zone, how'd you lose them

[Sumpson]

In reply of Kolar,

I don't care about what code needs to be put on what page and what line. what perhaps would be nice is to know whats the use of the code and why it needs to be there for example a list what needs to be done:

TWL website layout update > some guy will take around 2 weeks.
Bot configuration so each score gets uploaded automaticly to website > some guy will take around 3 weeks
general website updates > bla
bot having problem showing time on top right > guy working on it will take 2 weeks
bots having problem staying stable > this guy is going to first figure out what makes it crash then try to solve this problem will take 1 week since this guy is very dedicated..

etc..

a list like that would be a good thing for the public, I'm sure with something like this everyone would agree its reasonable and would not mind waiting the time needed.

Oh and Knockers, I dont know anything about coding so I wouldn't be usefull. I wouldnt like to help because I dont really like how things are run in staff, In here I've been giving suggestions how things could be run, thats the help im willing to give.

[Kolar]

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a list like that would be a good thing for the public, I'm sure with something like this everyone would agree its reasonable and would not mind waiting the time needed.

Maybe but it would not make things go faster. If your problem is with the operations and time limits placed on objectives by an overseer then you are addressing it in the wrong way with this suggestion. Sure it would mean we'd have less people pissing and moaning about staff not caring as you and others like to do every 5 minutes but in reality it would not make those time limits any less real. The league will start when TWL staff is ready.

Hm, but those coders were so dedicated to the zone, how'd you lose them

Overworked, no pay, no advancement in this zone I.E. getting Smod, no more joy in blowing things up in 2D? Take your pick.