Hot and Not

[Kawrae]

Taking bets, how long until Pandora dissolves? The spread is 2 weeks.

Taking bets, how many members will Anti-Scrub, Disoblige, and Spastic steal once Pandora dissolves? 4, 2, 6.

That's just stupid. FAKE BETS I MEAN!

If something happens for some reason, new squads will take most members.

[Efhat]

As another season comes to a close, I just wanted to give my own personal Hot or Not picks for the year. What's Hot are the people who set up everything that goes into making TW so much fun and sustaining such an endeavor. From the Coordinators like Nethila and Pure Luck; to each of the staff who spend their time programming bots and keeping the game up and running; to the people like Rab and Nickname who give it an extra flare with added events and commentary which make this so much more than a "2d spaceship game" (lets let this be the last time anyone uses this over-used meaningless cliche term); to everyone who spends their personal time controlling this game, I thank you. I know there are tons of names that I am not mentioning, but to all of you I personally appreciate all that you have accomplished. No, I'm not trying to become staff or get on a squad.

What's Not Hot is the general needless negativity that has also come to define TW. After a long season and a great game against -Final- every member of each squad said gg to each other and then the people in spec immediately began to flame my squad. Maybe there's something I need to know about Pandora that I have overlooked, but I didn't feel such words were necessary or warranted. DirtyJackal logged the game's spec chat, and I just want to point out a general trend of hatred that I feel TW could well do without. Though this is a fun game, it is the relationships with people from all over the world that is really what this game is all about. Maybe I'm just being a hopeless sentimental, an incredibly naive fag, or maybe my squad really is full of assholes, but I think that there is something to be said and learned from the following quotes issued during our semi-final match today. So here it is, today's NOT winners:

DirtyJacka> Their spiders are too weak. Pandoras spiders work together, like a unit.
DirtyJacka> That's what seperates these 2 teams
ph> Nerd needs to quit talking
spikey> you have played this zone what, 1 month?
Kawrae> lol save us from that dirty
ph> Tired of fat kids offering useless opinions
spikey> yeah you're from DSB lOL
Abbot> well go back to dsb
ph> Go eat something and hush
cripple> !myfreq DJ
cripple> PM the TWLBot with !myfreq
PaulOakenf> oh did a DSB guy get here and start talking shit because a bunch of guys that don't base are being beaten by a bunch of guys that BD more times in one week than -final- in their whole existence?
ph> Yeah, they need their cheerleader
ph> Nerd still talking
Pure_Luck> if pandora loses
Pure_Luck> they will all commit suicide
ph> Especially this DirtyJackal geek
Abbot> i hope they all go back to dsb
Enishi> pandora is from dsb?
spikey> their spiders, apart from sarger are
Enishi> no wonder
GundamAnge> Pandora will not break -F-'s cram, they don't learn that in dsb
Pure_Luck> i remember when pandora almost dissolved
Pure_Luck> cause they lost lol
ph> Now shh and let me watch Pandora choke and whine
spikey> how long until eelam leaves squad? takin' bets
cripple> first mouse/eelam will talk trash to the squad
ph> Better question
ph> Which Pandora member will whine first
cripple> mouse will over exaggerate and dissolve
Server <ZH> spikey the question is.. how long until mouse dissolves
cripple> mouse/eelam will lecture clan
DirtyJacka> hmm Everett just ate a burst.
ph> Hmm DirtyJackal is still talking
ph> Dumb fat kid
Pure_Luck> pandora gonna cut veh's head off
Pure_Luck> if they lose
ph> Waiting for "Vehicle has been substituted by tim"
Metal Head> MAX B
Metal Head> THE CHEATER
spikey> lets all pm mouse with !sub veh:tim
Dutch Base> pm him with ?squaddissolve ?
cripple> i'll bet 5$ less then 1 second when game ends eelam/mouse start trashing -f- and spec chat
cripple> any bets
cripple> trash talkers finally put an end to their saga
ph> Pandora dissolves in 15 seconds
cripple> YES
cripple> YES
cripple> YES
cripple> YES
cripple> YES

WOW, Now thats a lot of hate! Well, obviously this isn't the entire log, I'll send it to you if you want to soak in the uncontrolled aggression, but I think you get the idea. Reading logs is always fun though, and if you've read this far, I bet you're just waiting for me to whine about it some more. I mean, thats what you guys want and expect, right? For me to whine and dissolve and trash talk? You certainly said it enough. Maybe I haven't been reading forums as much as I should, maybe my squad mates have made more of asses of themselves than I thought possible, but I think there's more to this than that.

It seems like PH must have gotten into a huge argument with Pandora that I missed, that's the only explanation for his calling DirtyJackal fat and dumb every time he got the courage to type something. DirtyJackal certainly dug himself a grave in the beginning, especially as we lost, and even I would have said something to make him shut up, but does everyone have to be so rude about it? I mean he didn't exactly do much more than make a lofty observation, and he isn't the first player to show a little arrogance. But I think one nasty comment from everyone in spec would have sufficed. But it just never ended. It dragged on and on, kind of like this post.

Maybe I've been missing an inter-league dispute between DSB and TW, but this seems foolish to me. I've been playing TW for a while, and I personally like it when fresh faces begin to play, and I think TW players and staff should welcome players from other leagues. If we didn't ever get new players, TW would become stale and would have died long ago. So why do we have players like Abbot saying he hopes Pandora goes back to DSB forever? He thought it was important enough to mention it twice. Do we really want less good squads in TW? Abbot has always seemed nice to me, has it all been a ruse? I don't think so, I think its just easy to start adding fuel to the flames to make himself be one of the accepted crowd. It would be a lot harder to question the pure hatred as I am doing. I think that because DSB is easily seen as seperate that it is easy to flame them in hopes of making oneself fit in. So now we have someone named Enishi making fun of Pandora's otherness, someone who doesn't have enough TW experience to know that they are mostly from DSB; he has to ask first. But he has enough experience to know that by joining in the flaming, he has become one of the boys.

I'll just finish with a final observation. Toward the end of the match, when it began to become clear that everyone's hopes of Pandora losing were going to come true, people began to anticipate the obvious whining and flaming and eventual dissolvnig of our squad. In their minds they could already see Eelam and Mouse yelling at everyone and fullfilling their prophecies. The prohecy was actually self-fulfilling; it is these same players who have themselves spent the entire match doing just that: whining and flaming and complaining. When Paul O, who I consider a friend, joins the chat he immediatly assumes that DSB shit talkers are at it again, and does so by talking shit himself:

PaulOakenf> oh did a DSB guy get here and start talking shit because a bunch of guys that don't base are being beaten by a bunch of guys that BD more times in one week than -final- in their whole existence?

No Paul, that isn't what was happening, but by the amount of shit talking involved I could see why you might think that. Cripple adds:

cripple> i'll bet 5$ less then 1 second when game ends eelam/mouse start trashing -f- and spec chat
cripple> any bets
cripple> trash talkers finally put an end to their saga

Well cripple, as you undoubtably failed to notice, as you you were busy typing YES repeatedly at the time, everyone from Pandora, and -Final-, showed respect by saying gg, as should be the case after any great game so late into the year. We didn't cut off Vehicles head, or instantly dissolve, we got to the semi-finals and were #1 for most of the regular season, it was an accomplishment to be proud of. It was the speccers who continued to trash talk after the game ended, making a great game look ugly. You guys spent the entire match trash talking even as you accused Pandora of doing it. So go ahead, call me fat and dumb, but I just hope that everyone who reads this log and sees their name before something nasty realizes that it is themselves that are doing the dirty work.

well vatican it aint OUR fault that you havent fuckin witnessed eelam and mouse bitching at us in a ?go base game cause we're warming up and we're SUCKING then starts saying "dont worry your gonna lose to spastic" man I fuckin deserve to talk trash if some retard starts saying "OH YOU SUCK AT THIS" "OH YOU SUCK AT THAT"

[Vehicle]

Okay, I have a few things I think need to be said. First off, it's TWL, without trashtalk and elitist fucks it wouldn't be the TWL we've all come to know and love. The fact is, everyone was just pissed because it wasn't elitist Trench Wars players saying they were hot shit, it was players from DSB (which is still the shittiest zone of all time.) But honestly people, with very little exception, every squad at some point has talked trash and said they were hot shit.

Secondly, and on a less important note; ph, stabwound double cliented every game last year to record spec chat, and I would assume he still does it, so be quiet. It's fun to read the trash people talk about you when you fuck up and die to stupid shit, and i'd venture to say that you've probably read your share of spec logs too.

Lastly, for a squad of more or less no names to form, qualify, and make it to the semi finals of TWLB in their first season is an accomplishment, and love it or hate it; credit should be given where credit is due.

[Rab]

yea vati ur hot too ;o)

[PH]

stabwound double cliented every game last year to record spec chat, and I would assume he still does it, so be quiet.

Planting a second client for the sole purpose of logging is not the same as sending one of your own players to make useless comments in addition to logging. If Stab enjoys reading spec logs, good for him, not my business because he didn't try to stir shit in the process. DirtyJackal's attempt at being the next Howard Cosell was unwanted by pretty much all of the spectators (the log VA posted seems to make that pretty clear), and therefore I think the flaming he got was well deserved. We didn't need or want to hear his pep talk or whatever the hell that garbage was supposed to be.

It's fun to read the trash people talk about you when you fuck up and die to stupid shit

If that's your idea of fun then you might want to get out more.

i'd venture to say that you've probably read your share of spec logs too.

I guess I didn't make it clear. I don't care what anyone in spec chat has to say about me. There were probably quite a few good laughs at my expense from the spectators throughout this entire season. If I was the type to let internet heckling get under my skin this might bother me, and I might be induced into reading a spec log or two. Fortunately that's not the case. For all I care people can pick apart every mistake I made since the preseason began. More power to 'em.

I cleared the air with you a few weeks ago, and I don't think you're a bad guy, but I can't say the same for the swarming mass of attention-starved egomaniacs that comprises the core of your squad. Until they simmer down, the shit-flinging between them and the TW community will more than likely not cease any time soon.

[Cig Smoke]

How is being a good person 'homosexual shit'? How is sportsmanship 'homosexual shit'?
I think that people should not hide behind the anonymous nature of the internet and act like a 10 y.o. who has street credits.

Look, I know that a little shit talking can be fun. If I were to PM you 'ez' in some game we both would know and understand what was going down, the context would be clear. But this is not about two people who have played the game for years and know each other. This is about the amount of bullshit pub talk that has invaded the game/leagues/forums to the point of being detrimental and damaging. Obviously, as stated in the posts above, people now think it is cool and generates 'interest' to be an asshole.

People like Moot and many other are trying to establish some order and purpose to all of this so TW will survive for years to come. TW limits racism for the same reasons. Intentionally talking shit to 'make it more interesting' clearly are opposite from the Mission and Values of this Zone.

And as a side note (and take this from someone who has a clear understanding of this), everyone should try to live each day as though it is your last. It is no big effort to be nice.
Besides, if you live a good, honorable life when you are younger, when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.

I agree to an extent that it would be good for a little bit of an improvement, but i dont think u comin here and sayin it over and over is gonna help. I mean I do things as u know which are "immature" and whatnot just to stir up some shiz, but thats only once in awhile, generaly i agree with what ur sayin and wish it wsa like how u want it. I just dont see it happening.

[Cig Smoke]

Secondly, and on a less important note; ph, stabwound double cliented every game last year to record spec chat, and I would assume he still does it, so be quiet. It's fun to read the trash people talk about you when you fuck up and die to stupid shit, and i'd venture to say that you've probably read your share of spec logs too.

Isnt it illegal to double client? And especialy if its games he was playin in, that would technicaly qualify as lagcheating wouldnt it?

[pascone]

yes, which is funny since vehicle and stab were staff at the time?

[Underground]

Eelam> wanna join pandora, were starting a ld and lj part of our squad
Eelam> we already picked up Aimbot

(Eelam)>dont care if you make fun of me

[eelam <tw>]

re

very funny ug, just to let every1 know UG took bits and pieces of my convo with Kronic, sadly UG put it as if i were asking him but i wasn't. We dont need you hogging all our spec room . Also, UG kronic said he is going to find another squad next season and he'll keep us in mind

[genocidal]

I double-cliented and used programs to induce lag everyday that I was staff.

[Vehicle]

Ph, I wasn't trying to stir shit with you in any way, I was only pointing out the fact that someone on your squad logs games, so it isn't a rarity.

DirtyJackel was talking shit, like everyone does, and I really don't care that people talked shit back. What you said to him doesn't matter, which is why I dind't mention it, so explain why your talking trash to me.

For you retarded people, Stab didn't fucking cheat, shut the fuck up. I didn't mean the literal term of double clienting, someone would of noticed 2 stabwounds in the game. People have more then one computer.

[Kawrae]

yes, which is funny since vehicle and stab were staff at the time?

That's exactly why they could do it and afterwards brag about it!


ps. i don't see anything wrong about doing that

[Gabraham]

I have played this game for 7yrs, last 5yrs in this zone for the most part. I've played a few other games and poker online too and sorry to say, but I've found more people I can't tolerate here than anywhere else. I think it has something to do with the game being free. I still dig SS and won't quit playing until the games dead, I figure (perhaps also cause its free). But in here, I've become pretty antisocial cuase I don't wanna deal with the BS.

I joined pandora just before the season started and was on for a couple months until it became obvious they didn't need me, and I just don't feel right without the name Floydians behind mine. Anyway my point here is that its interesting how people here attack eagerness and passion, people who try as hard as they can and can't stand losing. A squadleader is supposed to hurt when you lose the big one. And if you don't defend your squad your a pussy. You'd think being competitive would be a plus in a game, but no, it's too uncool. Its much more fun to sit back and watch and say "I didn't win cause I have a life and I don't care". In the end all but one lose when it matters and it sucks, people bitch, it's part of the game.

and back to the point about number of people i cant tolerate.. When I left pandora there wasn't anyone there I couldn't tolerate. More than I can say for anyone else out there.

You dicks can go gag on one, shut you up at least.

[Rab]

lol gabe its funny u say that, but when asked about ss i always say the community is its strongest feature. i like ss players!