Can we get somthing done w/ the stupid scheduling?

[Stabwound]

The site said the timeslot I offered was full, so we accepted their time so we wouldn't get some random time.

This is beside the point, anyway.

[Exalt]

Looks like pascone is still wrong.

who wouldve thought

[Epinephrine]

Automated scheduling = lots of people will be pissed off every week, and have only staff to blame. People will start bitching about 'why do I always get 1pm timeslots' or whatever when in fact it's actually random. And since no one will actually spend the necessary time to build the necessary perfect schedule where people are minimally screwed under the assigned time system, the system will inherently be flawed.

Self-scheduling = only some people will be pissed off every week and can blame eachother. The system allows for those that really want to get a time they want. It works a lot better than a system that's inherently unfair.

Scheduling Op that sits around waiting to talk to captains = worst idea ever. Anyone who's ever scheduled a game knows it's hard enough to find the guy you're playing... you will never have an Op find EVERYONE unless you start scheduling the scheduling... and then you start asking yourself, WHY?

From the staff standpoint one is clearly the superior system.

[Exalt]

Automated scheduling = lots of people will be pissed off every week, and have only staff to blame. People will start bitching about 'why do I always get 1pm timeslots' or whatever when in fact it's actually random. And since no one will actually spend the necessary time to build the necessary perfect schedule where people are minimally screwed under the assigned time system, the system will inherently be flawed.

Self-scheduling = only some people will be pissed off every week and can blame eachother. The system allows for those that really want to get a time they want. It works a lot better than a system that's inherently unfair.

Scheduling Op that sits around waiting to talk to captains = worst idea ever. Anyone who's ever scheduled a game knows it's hard enough to find the guy you're playing... you will never have an Op find EVERYONE unless you start scheduling the scheduling... and then you start asking yourself, WHY?

From the staff standpoint one is clearly the superior system.

explain why its a bad idea to schedule the scheduling

its not like there are 5 players needed on each side to be online at the same time for a scheduling op to be able to do his job, you only need a cap from each side, and im pretty sure one of the 3 on each side can agree to a time to show up to schedule their twl matches

[Epinephrine]

explain why its a bad idea to schedule the scheduling

its not like there are 5 players needed on each side to be online at the same time for a scheduling op to be able to do his job, you only need a cap from each side, and im pretty sure one of the 3 on each side can agree to a time to show up to schedule their twl matches

Scheduling happens on weekdays. Squads exist from a multitude of timezones. By the time a west coast captain (i.e. Syndicate captain Demonfaze) gets home from work, it's already 3am in Europe. Are you going to force every European squad to have a North American captain and vice versa? That's pretty stupid.

How the hell are you going to get everyone in at the same time?

If you try to accommodate people, then captains will have to stick around at up to 3 different times in random times throughout the weekday. People generally have free weekends, but weekdays aren't so free thanks to work, school and other commitments.

And what if the captains cannot agree to a time? How does the scheduling OP assign a time for them? No matter how times are filled up, if you are one of the last to be scheduled to schedule your match, you will have less slots to pick, again unfair. There won't be extra slots due to limits on hosts.

Finally, who's going to be this scheduling OP that has all this free time to babysit captains every week? Even if you make it multiple scheduling OPs, it's a huge hassle, and the more people you have, the less consistent will be become.

[Exalt]

Scheduling happens on weekdays. Squads exist from a multitude of timezones. By the time a west coast captain (i.e. Syndicate captain Demonfaze) gets home from work, it's already 3am in Europe. Are you going to force every European squad to have a North American captain and vice versa? That's pretty stupid.

How the hell are you going to get everyone in at the same time?

If you try to accommodate people, then captains will have to stick around at up to 3 different times in random times throughout the weekday. People generally have free weekends, but weekdays aren't so free thanks to work, school and other commitments.

And what if the captains cannot agree to a time? How does the scheduling OP assign a time for them? No matter how times are filled up, if you are one of the last to be scheduled to schedule your match, you will have less slots to pick, again unfair. There won't be extra slots due to limits on hosts.

Finally, who's going to be this scheduling OP that has all this free time to babysit captains every week? Even if you make it multiple scheduling OPs, it's a huge hassle, and the more people you have, the less consistent will be become.

theres also a quant little thing called EMAIL, and sending that back and forth can work too

[Epinephrine]

theres also a quant little thing called EMAIL, and sending that back and forth can work too

If you're using e-mail.. how are you changing the current system in any way.

[pascone]

stab.. i asked jamal if your squad could play an hour after the time you requested. he said yes. i accepted the time on the site, if he said no, i could have manually added the time you wanted. i'm not really sure why everyone is saying i'm wrong or something when no one knows what actually happened. but i guess that's part of being the top cheese in this league.

[Stabwound]

Well, congrats on being the "top cheese" in the league.

Anyway, the rules clearly say that only 4 games are allowed per time slot, and that we would be given a random time slot, so why would I assume anything else would happen? Last year I had things exactly like this happen and we just got a random time slot.

Arguing about this is avoiding the main problem anyway. The scheduling system is broken and has been for a long time.

[Sumpson]

I dont think the problem is with the system but with the captains.
When picking a time it would be nice if you have a look at when the captains responded.

[Underground]

nah, pascone is broken

[Galleleo]

The only thing that is flawed is captains waiting to respond until the very last moment. That screws you over. It's not the system, it's the people working the system.

It's like lawyers finding technicalities within the law to get some mass murderer off. It's not so much the law's fault, but somewhere on the way, someone screwed up.

[a2m+]

If my memory serves me right, the rules say that if a team dosent respond in a certain time period (3 days? 2 days?) the other team gets the time slot they asked for... At least those were the rules 2-3 twls ago when I capped shriek/dice. Maybe you can lessen this value to 1 day or 36 hours.

[Ephemeral]

Develop schedule for entire season before season even starts. Do this before announcing which squads qualify. Part of accepting the invite to the leagues is also accepting the dates/times of the games. If squads do not like the dates/times set then they do not have to accept the invite to league(s). Squads/players would have plenty of time to adjust their personal schedules so they can make the games.

Do best that can be done to make it fair by giving each squad the same amount of 'bad' or 'good' times. When setting schedule/dates, give the squads that qualify for more than one league (TWLD, TWLJ, and TWLB ) slight scheduling preference since they have excelled, but still make things as fair as possible.

[kthx]

Why schedule three twld games at one timeslot on sunday also, besides the fact that it is going to be impossible to write a good HorN for all three games because I will only be able to watch a little bit of each or pay attention to one, what about all the other people who actually want to watch these games. This is the biggest event, and the only reason most of the old people still play Trench Wars, so why schedule so many games for one timeslot, when I am sure people want to watch atleast 2/3 of those games.