My reply to Epi's posts about Siege.

[Singer]

And if you find those other fields too boring or unspectacular to play, how can you be good at it or it have any relation to what you do play and are good at? - Sirius

I guess it's just me and that I'm super special but when you play subspace for years you kinda can get a grasp on how the ships works and how to be good in them without having to like them and play them 24/7 and boast about how good you are to everyone in the forums, imho

[Jack]

When I mentioned base I'm talking about competitive play so I'm not sure why you are bringing up sitting in a corner and shooting alot of bullets when talking to me, I know how to spider and do it very well.

When I look at TW now I notice more basers and more javs than wbs, the reason in my opinion would be because its easier to learn and be decent at than wbs. I don't mean this in any negative way because hell I enjoy spidering more than warbirds and javs. Being a spider is by far the easiest ship in TW to play if you have half a fucking brain.

And there is nothing wrong with arguing your side, It's not like we are face to face and have to worry about someone getting curbed stomped, I value your opinion.

The conversation is kind of going away from the initial point, we are talking about mastery. Sure anyone can jump in a warbird and get a random kill now and then and more often than in a jav or in base doing some incredible shot but thats not what we are discussing.

I love how all the people who say warbirds are easy to master arn't even that good at it.

Don't even know where I'm going with this anymore, fuck you. :grin:

Paul, of course we are going to think that, every generation of players is going to think they are better than the next. The good players now 5 years from now are going to be making comments about how the new squads are so much shittier and less competitive when it's the same competition and probably better skill level we just have our heads stuck up the ass of the past.

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[Foreign]

RIOT

and in case anyone wasn't around in the wee hours of the morningto hear me say it (everyone but crome and epi basically), i think this season will be the most competitive ever....

....but all of the competitive squads are mostly made up of players from 8-10 years ago, so go figure.

I do believe the only people to get my point about warbird mastery are the people who have actually put in the work to get to that level of play. Unless you have spent enough time to actually become that good at warbird, you don't really have an argument (i'm looking at you, mr. 3-10-in-the-preseason-versus-a-sucky-squad-but-claims-warbird-is-easy COUGHOIGheiohgsag galleleo jkfwlqfjklf)

[PaulOakenfold]

Paul, of course we are going to think that, every generation of players is going to think they are better than the next.

I was a better shark at one point... now I'm not even in the top 15, go figure.

The reason a lot of the 'more competitive squads' (which is bullshit, the only ones that are saying they are the top ranked are yourselves) are seen as such is because they like to cluster around one another for one reason or another. If you're playing with one another for a couple of consecutive years, of course you're going to look a little intimidating. There are a couple of TWL final caliber squads that are able to pull single stars from newer squads because they have the 'names' to do so. Take a look, it happens every season.

[RednaZ]

Well fuck this, if people are going to get reprimanded for saying warbirds are easy to master when they probably never could, then the same goes to you warbird people. Don't tell me javs are easier to master, because there's nobody in this thread that has or ever will, including myself.

[Foreign]

well i must say the amount of skill involved in javs drastically increased when shrapnel was removed. sure some used it well but for most it was just a luck mechanism.

[Sirius]

I guess it's just me and that I'm super special but when you play subspace for years you kinda can get a grasp on how the ships works and how to be good in them without having to like them and play them 24/7 and boast about how good you are to everyone in the forums, imho - Singer

First off in case you are referring to me I didn't boast anything about anything, secondly you seem to be ignoring the fact that whether you play for years or not doesn't change whether you have any interest to ever look even in the direction of the ship, to get good at it or whatnot.

[Cross]

RIOT Jack RIOT!

[Jack]

Riot

[MetalHeadz]

well i must say the amount of skill involved in javs drastically increased when shrapnel was removed. sure some used it well but for most it was just a luck mechanism.

living in the past a bit foreign.

[PjOtTeR]

well i must say the amount of skill involved in javs drastically increased when shrapnel was removed. sure some used it well but for most it was just a luck mechanism.

I actually liked the shrapnel(although not the random one, but the set one)... cause you could use it to kill really well, and basicly like make someone dodge one way, to then die by the shrap that came of off your bomb...
Also, dodging the shrap was rather easy, cause it always went the same way, and thus you could predict where it would be going...

You telling us how javs is easy cause you can get positive in a twlj game, is like me saying wbs is easy cause I can get positive in a twld game. The reason there are more javs and basers these days isn't because it is easier... it's because most people find it more fun. Wether they find it more fun cause it's easier or harder or w/e other reason you cannot really tell.

For example if I like played 4 or more dds a week, I would probably be a pretty good wb... But im not good at it now just because I really dont give a rats ass about it because I myself find in boring to play, and seriously couldn't care less wether im good at it or not, cus it's no fun. And that's why I play this game, cause I have fun in it... not to become the best at it.

I think there aren't even 20(maybe not even 10) people out there who actually mastered wb... and the same goes for jav... So which ship is harder to master? I absolutly have no clue and I think this is just a pointless arguement.

[RednaZ]

I'll kill myself after posting this but Pj posted my own thoughts apparently, except the warbird part, cuz I don't care about either anymore

And shrapnel was indeed a lot of fun, I always feel sad when I enter some hosted jav game and people immediately start crying to take off shrap. I remember the shrap duels I had with destroy when we were the only 2 left in b-elim, golden times =[

[Galleleo]

When I was talking about knowing the shot, I wasn't talking about set shots, I was talking about seeing the bouncy shots to kill someone moving in a direction. In a wb, you have a straightforward aim, someone is going 1 way, you shoot in their path, they either die or dodge. In a jav you can do straight shooting, but also see what way a player is going and play a shot that doesn't look like it's going for that person at all, but ends up right in his face. I meant those kind of shots, not set shots.. they are too obvious and easily dodgeable.

And Jack, I have nothing against you, I think you're a great player, in both wbs and spidering (from the couple of times I saw you). And I wasn't talking directly at you, more in general. Cause a lot of people seem to think spidering is just camping and shooting and racking up kills. I think spidering is far more, camping CAN be useful at times, but only if you know how to, when to and how you can change that camping position in a very aggressive/attacking position. For instance, when I am attacking flagroom, I like to start from a camping position then move upwards and dive behind our sharks to push. The camping position in the start helps giving cover, certainly if you don't have a shark yet, then with the sharks you push in after maybe taking 1 or 2 camping spiders of theirs out from your starting point.

Same in flagroom, I don't see a point in all 5 spiders pushing at the same time, I like to stay back when others are pushing, camping if you will, giving cover to our pushing spiders and shark, and then when they die I'll start pushing more, thus not creating some void where all your spiders are dead and your terr is very fragile.

Anyway, I just don't find wbs fun at all, so I never bother practicing in them. I play dd's now and then to be the 4th, I played that preseason cause I was the 5th person, and I support all our twld matches, but I have no interest in becoming good in wb. To each his own.

[Reaver]

The wb is far too boring for me to ever actually try becoming good at it.

Wbs are far easier to become good at then javs or basing. Sure if you are already a good wb you will be decent at jav cause you have aim and know how to dodge, but you won't cut it against people that actually know shots.

And basing, people think spidering is just sitting in a corner and shooting a lot of bullets, it really isn't. Then again, spidering did get easier with this cramming shit. Anyway, I am not really gonna argue. In my opinion the wb is the easiest ship to master in this zone. You think otherwise, that is your opinion.

Didn't you go 3-7 or something like that vs savanger that's like Izor talking about the best sex positions

[Galleleo]

Seeing as I always have to repeat 500 times what I say before people get it, we only have 5 people on-line for that preseason game, I was that 5th guy. That is the ONLY reason I played, and yes I went 3-10, but as I said I have no ambition in wb, I never practice wb, hell I never really play it.