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  • Discussion about how this appeal was done and considerations for the future.

    Okay before i start we must understand that the reason behind Mouse axing me at the beginning does that matter because intent is not covered in TWL Rules.

    Firstly, lets analyze the Rule itself:

    5.09 In the event that a player is accidentally de-rostered from a Trench Wars League Squad, an Email must be sent to the Trench Wars League Operators within 24 hours or else they will be subject to all roster lock and waiting period restrictions. (See Rules 5.06, 5.07 and 5.08) If the player becomes rostered on another Trench Wars Leagues or Trench Wars Divisions Squad within the 24-hour period, this offer will not apply.

    The first reason why i should be reinstated is that it does not tell us what the definition of "accident" is, and with your decision on declining my appeal you had given yourself a definition that was not found in the rules being your first mistake with the appeal. Okay, viewing the reasoning that is given by TWL staff about why such things as being "axed" is not accidental, than why does this rule even exist because if one were to look at it the only way a person can be off the roster is by 1. leaving the squad or 2. being axed, therefore using the way staff ruled on this decision the word "accident" should not even be seen in the rules. I am not sure if the current staff members wrote the rules, but i believe the rules were written in such a way that it allows squad captains the ability to fix mistakes that they have made with such cases as this by inserting the word accident. We are not in a courtroom or in some contract, were in this game to have fun and the rules are made to make sure people have fun but also people do not cheat. I believe this rule was written to make sure that squad hopping does not happen.

    Secondly, after considering all of the above, staff should not critically analyze the situation or interpret it in their own way, because staff is not responsible for coming up with a plausible story of their own that is not your duty. Your duty in staff is to read the rules as they are and make sure they are implemented. Both mouse and I had sent our emails within 24 hours claiming that this was an accident. And since our actions are covered in the rules as not being an accident, because no where in the rules does it say axing can not be considered an accident I should be reinstated. Because we had covered all aspects of the rule, 1. that it is an accident because both parties involved in the situation say it was, and 2. we had sent our emails in 24 hours.

    Thirdly, I am not here to fight with you guys, but I just want to the ability to play with a squad that I help create and build from the start, and this being my last season in TWL i would like the ability to finish it. I am not asking for much because 1. i did not hop to another squad i am asking to be reinstated back into my old squad that i have played 2 leagues with, and 2. that this will not hurt anyone in the process. The reason why I am so adament about this is because i honestly feel that the rules do not critically asses this type of situation and should be allowed for this season and than rules should be rewritten in a way to prevent these types of things ( if staff wants ) next season, but i dont think this should happen, because lets face it were all here to have fun and enjoy playing TW. Yes, people get upset with another and stuff like this happens, but come on this is not like were breaking a social law, and its not like we even broke a TWL rule. I just want the ability to finish off my last season in Pandora fully even if that means losing in the semis, but i just want the ability to do that.

    In conclusion, i know you guys do not need to reconsider but I really hope you guys do, because from the stand point of the rules itself i did nothing wrong, but this whole thing was a misunderstanding amongst 2 squad mates. I just really hope that you guys really consider how the rule is stated and how it does not give a clear definition about what an accident is and therefore I should be allowed back into league. Also, you can not keep me out of league saying that yes their is a loop hole in the rules, but it will be changed for next season and still keep me out because it is unfair for me. So please if your going to fix it , fix it next season but let me play with how the rule stand right now.
    TWLJ SEASON 12 CHAMPION
    TWLD SEASON 12 CHAMPION
    KISS MY RINGS

    1:Eelam> http://i31.tinypic.com/2vjskt2.jpg
    1:Eelam> 3:TagMor> meh, i get girls regardless
    1:Eelam> ROFLMAO

  • #2
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    Log file open: session.log
    P ascone:stop being a jerk
    C 1:Peace_Maker> i dont think they are going to change their minds :/
    P ascone:and admit when staff is at fault
    P ascone:this is not a courtroom
    P (pascone)>we aren't at fault
    P Left_Eye> May I make a suggestion?
    C 3:Crunchy Nut> jd wima?
    P Eelam> sup
    P (pascone)>you were axed
    P ascone:and it was an accident
    P (pascone)>that's as simple as it can get
    P ascone:mouse said it was
    P ascone:i said it was
    P Left_Eye> you aren't gonna be let back into TWL from what it looks like, there is no use fighting it :/
    P ascone:we sent emails within 24 hours
    P (pascone)>he axed you
    P Left_Eye> just giving you the info, i know how staff operates
    P Eelam> ill make staff life a living hell
    P (pascone)>then denied your application
    P ascone:k pascone HE AXED ME
    P Left_Eye> living hell? how?
    P ascone:but he retracted it in 24 h
    P (pascone)>he also expressed that he axed you
    P ascone:and admited it being an accdient
    P Left_Eye> if all, you should be mad at mouse
    P ascone:can u prove that is untrue him saying it wasn't an accidnet
    C 1:Vatican Assassin> eelam if your general attitude over the last 2 years hadnt been "im better than everyone and im gonna let them know it" this wouldnt be happening
    C 1:Eelam> i know
    C 1:Vatican Assassin> i love you, but youve known ive always had a problem with that
    P (pascone)>there is more than enough evidence that supports my claim than your claim
    C 1:Eelam> i dont care what others think of me
    P (pascone)>there are witnesses
    P ascone:witnesses?
    P ascone:there were only 2 witnesses
    P ascone:me and mouse
    P ascone:every1 else is heresay
    C 1:Vatican Assassin> ya well now you feel the consequences of that philosophy
    P ascone:And shoudlnt matter
    C 1:Eelam> ye
    P (pascone)>squadmembers were also asked about it
    C 1:Eelam> but every1 knows im right
    C 1:Eelam> with my argument
    P (pascone)>and they agreed that there was no accident in the axing
    TWLJ SEASON 12 CHAMPION
    TWLD SEASON 12 CHAMPION
    KISS MY RINGS

    1:Eelam> http://i31.tinypic.com/2vjskt2.jpg
    1:Eelam> 3:TagMor> meh, i get girls regardless
    1:Eelam> ROFLMAO

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    • #3
      in before close again, eelam forum ban

      Seriously dude, just give up. This one is pretty clear cut.
      USA WORLD CHAMPS

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      • #4
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        C 1ephO> eelam
        C 1:Vatican Assassin> i dont
        P ascone:and their heresay as well
        P Left_Eye> well just giving you the info so you don't waste your time if you were interested in that
        P Left_Eye> have fun
        P :Left_Eye:thnx peace
        P (pascone)>maybe mouse should be more responsible than just axing people then regretting it
        C 1:Eelam> sup depho
        P (pascone)>think about your actions before you make them
        C 1ephO> I had a long conversation with MousE 2 days ago
        P ascone:well i had no control over what happened
        P (pascone)>true, mouse did
        TWLJ SEASON 12 CHAMPION
        TWLD SEASON 12 CHAMPION
        KISS MY RINGS

        1:Eelam> http://i31.tinypic.com/2vjskt2.jpg
        1:Eelam> 3:TagMor> meh, i get girls regardless
        1:Eelam> ROFLMAO

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        • #5
          stop thinking of it as "mouse did this and that"

          consider it as "a captain of my squad axed me"
          USA WORLD CHAMPS

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          • #6
            Reposting isn't allowed on the TW board, it probably isn't going to help your cause. I would email and talk to people higher up in TWL Staff.
            Last edited by Kolar; 05-11-2007, 04:47 PM.

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            • #7
              as established before our conversation occured, all final decisions are that, final. there is no appealling an appeal
              violence> dont talk 2 me until u got 900+fbook friends and can take 1 dribble from the 3 point line n dunk


              [Aug 23 03:03] Oops: 1:siaxis> you try thta ill play possom then reverse roundhouse kick your life
              [Aug 23 03:20] money: LOL NOT QUITE VIO BUT 5:siaxis> you try thta ill play possom then reverse roundhouse kick your life

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              • #8
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                i know im not allowed back in league but i just posted to allow people to read
                TWLJ SEASON 12 CHAMPION
                TWLD SEASON 12 CHAMPION
                KISS MY RINGS

                1:Eelam> http://i31.tinypic.com/2vjskt2.jpg
                1:Eelam> 3:TagMor> meh, i get girls regardless
                1:Eelam> ROFLMAO

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by eelam <tw> View Post
                  Firstly, lets analyze the Rule itself:

                  5.09 In the event that a player is accidentally de-rostered from a Trench Wars League Squad, an Email must be sent to the Trench Wars League Operators within 24 hours or else they will be subject to all roster lock and waiting period restrictions. (See Rules 5.06, 5.07 and 5.08) If the player becomes rostered on another Trench Wars Leagues or Trench Wars Divisions Squad within the 24-hour period, this offer will not apply.

                  The first reason why i should be reinstated is that it does not tell us what the definition of "accident" is...


                  ...grovel grovel grovel


                  The rule does't say what the definition of a "player " is. What if the person in question is a bencher ?

                  The rule does't say what the definition of a "Trench Wars League Squad" is. Is it a squad ONLY participating in TWL ? What if the squad is also an SVS League Squad ? I am confused.

                  There is also no mention of dyslectic caps that might have hard time reading the rule, or stupid caps that might not understand it.


                  Bill Clinton said: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." I bet every single person who heard that went: oh, shut the fuck up!


                  Also, where did all the cockiness go you whining hypocrite?
                  Originally posted by Disliked
                  However, I have a bigger problem, being an atheist for 9 years, most of it during my teenage years I've become a little addicted to masterbation. I've tried to stop and even asked God to help but I'm unable to resist the temptation and it's driving me insane with grief.


                  Originally posted by concealed
                  when i was on incuria i took 40 mgs of adderol like an hour before every match. didnt help me that much :X

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                  • #10
                    Don't we have a thread about this already? Or did you simply want to divert it away from people putting blame on you (where it belongs... you'll learn that someday if you know what's best for you) and on to THE MAN.


                    I'm going to sing my chorus from the last thread: "Grow up and take some responsibility."
                    I wouldn't be surprised if people reading your posts are thinking 'is this kid for real?' My two year old claims more responsibility than you do.
                    Last edited by PaulOakenfold; 05-11-2007, 03:47 PM.

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                    • #11
                      re

                      rofl blaming me is like blaming a rape victim for getting raped. Remember iw as the one axed i had no control over the situation.
                      TWLJ SEASON 12 CHAMPION
                      TWLD SEASON 12 CHAMPION
                      KISS MY RINGS

                      1:Eelam> http://i31.tinypic.com/2vjskt2.jpg
                      1:Eelam> 3:TagMor> meh, i get girls regardless
                      1:Eelam> ROFLMAO

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                      • #12
                        Why didn't you voice your concerns about this rule when they were posted prior to the season? Was it because you didn't think you'd be stupid enough to piss your captain off enough to axe you? Gotcha.

                        Oddly enough, this exact same thing happened to A-S. We axed abbot and let him back on within 24 hours and told staff about it. He wasn't allowed to play the next game (this was before the soft-lock). I don't recall making a thread to whine or get sympathy. What part of "shut the fuck up" do you not understand? Like the words in the rules, the definitions can easily be discovered using www.m-w.com if they are not clear to you.

                        llater,
                        Tony

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                        • #13
                          You're comparing yourself to a rape victim now?

                          Okay, now I know you're not serious. Back on the ignore list for you Mr. Funnyman.

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                          • #14
                            You made this bed of nails, now shut the fuck up and lay down.
                            Originally posted by Tone
                            It is now time for the energy shift of the 7th root race to manifest on the 3D physical plane and uplift us back to 5D.
                            Originally posted by the_paul
                            Gargle battery acid fuckface
                            Originally posted by Material Girl
                            I tried downloading a soundcard

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                            • #15
                              nah you guys are giving him shit, saying its his fault. he is just trying to stick up for himself, because he wants to play. eelam has no fault, and he knows im the first one to call him out if he did something wrong. he still shouldnt play, but dont blame him.

                              oh and ph, quit wasting your witty comments on the forums and get the fukin Hot or Not up d00d.
                              What maneuver could possibly be smoover?

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