TWLB spider limit?

[Miku19]

Someone said (i think it was phrenitis) that all ships can be easily countered.

how the fuck do you counter a leviterr flying in middle base shooting at the cram?

dunno, with a rocketing jav? a shark and a spid? a shark and 5 spids?

can't really say without trying these things in-game.

[Miku19]

My point is that having organized 8v8 (or some other number) battles for the flag is a whole lot different than having 15 people that don't communicate with eachother fight for kills.

[Jerome Scuggs]

We cant, since half the ships are restricted.

I don't mean in the pub :P You can easily get a prototype set up as an event - but honestly, I think there are similar events, and they suck.

[Jeenyuss]

the only two squads that matter in lb can play both lineups, but yeah ur right, limit will send penetrate/virtuosus type squads back to the stone age.

pff, the best thing pandora has going for them are their spiders so don't even start.

[PrOnEsSim]

pff, the best thing pandora has going for them are their camping/lagging spiders so don't even start.

Fixed. :turned:

[pascone]

There will be no levi's in TWL....

Also, 1 terr and 2 shark limit isn't changing either.


As for the other suggestions, they are being explored.

Again, bare in mind that the TWL staff consists of like 4 people at this point, one of which is hard to find....

[Miku19]

ah well, it's good to see the community slowly dying.

[CrvenBan]

Why not levis in the twl! Imagine the possibilities... put some spice into twlb dammit!!

[Ephemeral]

The default behavior is always to do the same thing you did the day before, change is scary and takes courage. Who knows what would happen if there were no limits at all.
Imagine the upset players if a lower ranked squad were to play some weird ships against some of the vet squads and pull off a win. The community might be rattled to it’s very core, people would dismiss the win as an apparition. Time would stop. The earth might stop spinning.
And what about the lag? If squads played these weird ship configurations, it might draw larger amounts of spectators and cause more lag.
And consider how players and squads might have to struggle learning new strategies. Instead of watching 2 league matches and playing a few ?go Base games, players would experience brain over-load and go postal when confronted with thinking for themselves. My God, they might even have to experiment and try new things. Oh the humanity.

Please continue to dictate to us exactly what we need to do. Any other way is simply to frightening.

[eelam <tw>]

re

fuck you newbs, if you want to use a special by all means go for it, but we'll be using our 5 spiders and stomping your ass. Stop talking mad shit about restricting and allow all these people who are FOR restriction to use 4 spiders. Hell let them use 6 fighter ships make it more fun for us when we whoop squads like virt 15-0.

[Miku19]

What I've been suggesting doesn't restrict you from playing your goddamn awesome 5-spid strategy, dear eelam. You should support me!

[Tsumetai]

fuck you newbs, if you want to use a special by all means go for it, but we'll be using our 5 spiders and stomping your ass. Stop talking mad shit about restricting and allow all these people who are FOR restriction to use 4 spiders. Hell let them use 6 fighter ships make it more fun for us when we whoop squads like virt 15-0.

I can't believe it, I actually agree with something this guy said.

But yeah, fuck the spid restrictions. If you think 4 spiders + whatever is the best line, then play it yourself and prove it. In the mean time, let other squads play whatever the fuck they like and don't have a hernia when they do something that doesn't entertain you. If you find it boring then fuck off and play something else, or maybe even go to that scary place called the real world, I hear it's pretty exciting.

[Dabram]

Personally I am in the middle. NO restrictions isn't a good idea. The sharks should be limited to maximum 2 (0 or 1 should be allowed). Because a lineup of 4 very good spiders, 3 good sharks and 1 terr would make a cram that's nearly impossible to break through, and a lot of games would be decided in the first flagroom fight. Other than that, I'd say, no restrictions on the ships. If a squad wants to play 1 shark 6 spiders on defense for a while to keep control over lower base as long as possible, why not? If a squad wants to play 2 javs to break through the nme cram, fine.

Important for this to work however is a change in the amount of shipchanges that are allowed, 2 simply isn't enough. Two is a ridicilous number that favours the squads who don't dare to take any risks. Again I'm also not for an unlimited amount of shipchanges or free shipchanges for players. Just like with ship-restrictions, complete freedom doesn't improve the game. In this case it would lead to chaos. However when you give a captain 5-6 shipchanges a game, he has the option to alter his line a few times in the game to change the dynamic of the match, of course hoping the change is going to be in his advatange. Then it's up to the other team to adapt to the different line they're now playing against, by either adjusting their positions/playing style or by also using a change.

For example, if squad-A struggles to break through a cram, the captain(s) could decide to change a spider to jav to break the cram (rest of the team should also change their style so the jav becomes useful of course, not gonna tell you newbies how to do this). Then squad-B has to adapt to the change squad-A, their sharks should push out less, or they could decide to make a change themselves and for instance throw in a warbird instead of the 5th(surplus)spider. Against a team with a jav, a warbird has a lot of room to hunt down the nme terr plus he can put pressure on the jav. And then squad-A has to deal with that again, if they didn't break through the cram fast enough they might want to make another alteration, and if they did they could perhaps decide to change their jav again. Or during a long flagroom fight one of the two squads might choose to use a wb/jav for a while.

In the end it could only make basing more dynamic, and I like the idea that players who are more experienced/better at tactics/more creative and more versatile, would be rewarded instead of those would can find the motivation to do the same routine of cramming the fr-entrance up with 5 spiders, over and over and over again..

If you disagree there should be more shipchanges allowed and less restrictions, you're obviously just scared to play vs anything but 5-spiders and shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on this matter. -_-

[Dabram]

Someone said (i think it was phrenitis) that all ships can be easily countered.

how the fuck do you counter a leviterr flying in middle base shooting at the cram?

eh.. if you notice a squad uses a levi, you just tell one of your players to warp and hunt that guy down till he gives up..?
would be kinda funny to suddenly see 8 ppl in spawnzone battleing to not get the levi greened up. :P

and if he gets greened up, just make sure you are either dominating lower base or move out of cram, there's no way the levi will want to get into fr, and as long as he's trying to bomb fr-entrance his own teammates can't get in, plus his terr can't get in if he's attached to it, unless you'd use 2 terrs, but then those other 6 would have to find their way into fr vs 8 players who will just be lining up waiting for just those 6 players to enter the fr, or for the leviterr to shoot his own team up the ass..

in the end, a leviterr wouldn't really work unless you've got a really stupid team that decides to sit tight in cram with 5 spiders while there's a leviterr in lower base waiting to kill u all. but then it's really not the leviterr that's killing you but your own inability to use your brain.

all ships can be countered. the only line nearly impossible to beat would be 3sharks+4spiders on defense, which is why i think there should be a limit of 2 sharks intact.

[eelam <tw>]

re

The most effective way to play base is with 5 spiders, and this was evidently shown last season with Necro having to change from jav to spider in Pandora vs Dice game. I just suggest teams begin to learn HOW to play with 5 spiders and how to TEAM with them. Basing is just not killing whoever you see and hoping for the best, you gotta kill together and rush together. Teams should learn how to do rather than trying to change the settings of TWLB.