Plade appeal

[Phiz]

Think what Mirror was trying to say was.. the twl rules don't apply to non-twl squads, no <3 joined a NON twl squad (PUMA). After he joined, PUMA got in twl.

[Dethdefire]

Think what Mirror was trying to say was.. the twl rules don't apply to non-twl squads, no <3 joined a NON twl squad (PUMA). After he joined, PUMA got in twl.

Yes, I understand that. The point is, he was evading the 48 hour rule, thus allowing him to join puma with another name, before they accepted the TWL invitation. Had he been held to the same TWD standards as every other player he woud not have been on the Puma roster before the TWL offer was accepted on Sunday.

[pascone]

the amount of conversation about no <3 and you'd think the guy went 22-5.

the same situation happens every year when a squad joins after the season started. when your squad joined twl, how many people on your squad were ineligible? why should it be different for a squad that joined a little late...

[Phiz]

Yes, I understand that. The point is, he was evading the 48 hour rule, thus allowing him to join puma with another name, before they accepted the TWL invitation. Had he been held to the same TWD standards as every other player he woud not have been on the Puma roster before the TWL offer was accepted on Sunday.

Mirror already told you about this..

"To answer that: A TWD Op helped him. He did not bypass it illegally.It is something nice TWD Ops do for players as a one time thing. The Op did this because he thought it was harmless since no <3 was switching to a non-TWL squad. The Op had no idea Puma was going to be invited later on.

No <3 was very lucky."

[Dethdefire]

the amount of conversation about no <3 and you'd think the guy went 22-5.

the same situation happens every year when a squad joins after the season started. when your squad joined twl, how many people on your squad were ineligible? why should it be different for a squad that joined a little late...

My squad joined before the soft lock, so how is that an issue? I agree, it shouldn't be an issue for those players that were eligable to be on pumas roster. Sisqo was not one of those players. I love the fact that instead of taking responsibility for your horrible decision you decide to brush it off like its no big deal. A guy doesnt have to go "22-5" to have an impact on the outcome of a JD. Hell, maybe his teaming allowed other players to real in kills! Now, what are you going to say if no <3 manages to cary puma for the reast of their season? Hmmm.. way to think past week 5. How the heck were you appointed as TWL head op? Pascone you dropped the ball BIG TIME. Pick it back up and stop running TWL into the ground with your care free attitude.

[Dethdefire]

Mirror already told you about this..

"To answer that: A TWD Op helped him. He did not bypass it illegally.It is something nice TWD Ops do for players as a one time thing. The Op did this because he thought it was harmless since no <3 was switching to a non-TWL squad. The Op had no idea Puma was going to be invited later on.

No <3 was very lucky."

I know exactly what mirror said about this situation. That staff member "made an assumption" that puma would not be invited into TWL, so he allowed a Sisqo to break the 48 hour rule. The reason that this exscuse is a load of bullshit is because puma was invited to twl on the same day this happened. Falk was fully aware that puma was invited into TWL, because I told him that "Sisqo changed his name to NO <3 so he could avoid the soft lock and play in TWL". Falk had assured me that he told sisqo, and explained, why he was not able to apply to puma's roster for another 10 hours. I then went on to question falk why sisqo was not baned for evading the 48 hour rule, only to find out that "was not" bannable. Puma was already invited to TWL on the same day that this staff member allowed sisqo to break the 48 hour rule, thus allowing him to join puma's roster before they accepted he TWL invitation.

[IceStorm]

i can't wait till next twl i'm going to play on every squad!

[pascone]

yeah i'm pretty sure i did a good job running it last year. nothing has changed. people are just critical because things aren't going their way. when was twl ever run perfectly? i'd argue last year was damn close. i've been playing since season 8 and i know everyone complained about how neth did it. not everyone is going to be happy, you learn to live with that quickly.

he joined a twd squad. people do that all the time. the rule says you can't join a twl squad. no where does it say you can't join a twd squad. the twd squad CHANGED to a twl squad AFTER he was already on it. no matter how that happened, he was on it. if this was a real appeal, there should have been more questions (instead of none) PRIOR to the start of the game. this just looks like people that lost looking for reasons to get another chance.

and 7-10 is never a good score. i don't care what the guy did cause if everyone did what he did, they'd lose the game.

[pascone]

I know exactly what mirror said about this situation. That staff member "made an assumption" that puma would not be invited into TWL, so he allowed a Sisqo to break the 48 hour rule. The reason that this exscuse is a load of bullshit is because puma was invited to twl on the same day this happened. Falk was fully aware that puma was invited into TWL, because I told him that "Sisqo changed his name to NO <3 so he could avoid the soft lock and play in TWL". Falk had assured me that he told sisqo, and explained, why he was not able to apply to puma's roster for another 10 hours. I then went on to question falk why sisqo was not baned for evading the 48 hour rule, only to find out that "was not" bannable. Puma was already invited to TWL on the same day that this staff member allowed sisqo to break the 48 hour rule, thus allowing him to join puma's roster before they accepted he TWL invitation.

it doesn't seem that you get the order in which everything happened

saturday 1:55pm no <3 leaves paladen
sunday 2:03pm sisqo joins puma
(note, the twlj game was still going, puma couldn't have assumed heracy didn't have enough players, no one could)
sunday 3pm puma accepts invite to twlj

i'm not a twd staff member, so as long as one of them found it ok, that means he was an eligible player, i.e. he wasn't twd banned. thus, that makes him eligible for twl. had he joined AFTER they accepted, he wouldn't have been.

ignore the fact that it was softlock. what if a squad joins twl AFTER hardlock. hardlock says NO PLAYER can join a twl squad. does that mean that everyone (potentially, if the squad was created after the hardlock, like quicksand was last year) on a twd squad that replaces a twl squad is then ineligible because the hardlock passed? yes, that is what happened last year. tell me that if i didn't let anyone on quicksand play that there wouldn't have been 8 sideways more posts about this. it doesn't make sense. probably why it didn't happen. this is essentially the same thing, only different is soft and hard.

[Dethdefire]

yeah i'm pretty sure i did a good job running it last year. nothing has changed. people are just critical because things aren't going their way. when was twl ever run perfectly? i'd argue last year was damn close. i've been playing since season 8 and i know everyone complained about how neth did it. not everyone is going to be happy, you learn to live with that quickly.

he joined a twd squad. people do that all the time. the rule says you can't join a twl squad. no where does it say you can't join a twd squad. the twd squad CHANGED to a twl squad AFTER he was already on it. no matter how that happened, he was on it. if this was a real appeal, there should have been more questions (instead of none) PRIOR to the start of the game. this just looks like people that lost looking for reasons to get another chance.

and 7-10 is never a good score. i don't care what the guy did cause if everyone did what he did, they'd lose the game.

What possible reason would I have to help plade get another chance? This is simpy about your ignorant decision to overlook the fact that sisqo SHOULD NOT have been on the roster, by TWD rules, at the time that puma accepted the TWL invitation. Maybe you're just to lazy to actually look at all the details. So in essence, the staffs poor decision to play favorites and allow a player to break/bypass the TWD rules (48 hour wait) led to this player playing in TWL (breaking the elegibility rules). Where in the TWD rules does it state that staff have the right to abuse the 48 hour wait to their own justification? Maybe staff should pull their heads out of their ass and realize that this probably isnt a good course of action to persue durring a TWL season. Also, this has nothing to do with making everyone happy, it has to do with making the right calls and decisions so that every squad has an equal opportunity.


PS: Yet again you're to ignorant to look past the fact that this is not only about a score of 7-10 against plade. This is about the potential impact that an illeagal player (sisqo) may have durring the next 6 weeks of compition.

[Dethdefire]

it doesn't seem that you get the order in which everything happened

saturday 1:55pm no <3 leaves paladen
sunday 2:03pm sisqo joins puma
(note, the twlj game was still going, puma couldn't have assumed heracy didn't have enough players, no one could)
sunday 3pm puma accepts invite to twlj

i'm not a twd staff member, so as long as one of them found it ok, that means he was an eligible player, i.e. he wasn't twd banned. thus, that makes him eligible for twl. had he joined AFTER they accepted, he wouldn't have been.

ignore the fact that it was softlock. what if a squad joins twl AFTER hardlock. hardlock says NO PLAYER can join a twl squad. does that mean that everyone (potentially, if the squad was created after the hardlock, like quicksand was last year) on a twd squad that replaces a twl squad is then ineligible because the hardlock passed? yes, that is what happened last year. tell me that if i didn't let anyone on quicksand play that there wouldn't have been 8 sideways more posts about this. it doesn't make sense. probably why it didn't happen. this is essentially the same thing, only different is soft and hard.

Wow Dumbass no <3 never joind paladen. Sisqo joined paladen and he left on the 11th of november as shown at the below link. Now am I a complete dumbass or is the 11th on a Sunday? I am no mathmatichian but if he left on Sunday as shown the earliest he could have leagally joined Puma, by TWD rules, would have been somtime monday, after puma accepted an invitation.


SISQO's application accepted by Dethdefire 2007-11-10 02:17:32
SISQO left the squad. 2007-11-11 13:59:39

Pascone>sunday 2:03pm sisqo joins puma

http://twl.trenchwars.org/index.php?...fnUserID=12319
So go ahead, help me out... When is 48 hours from 2007-11-10 02:17:32?

Also, PLEAAASEE tell me who this namless hero of a TWD op is that put No <3 on pumas squad roster, less than 5 minutes after he left paladen, between 13:59:39 and 15:00:00 on Sunday. Especially in the middle of TWL, with no bots available.
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[Shadowmere]

Dethde I can tell you a secret. It has to do with power. Ever since the 48 hour rule came into effect, if there's been a decent reason to bypass it, you could naturally ask a staffer to help you with it. It's to lessen doublesquadders after all, which HAS reduced. (EDIT: And going from a TWL squad to a TWD squad, [not neccessarily squadhop even if you just joined the TWL squad] I'd personally think you want to help the TWD squad, so that's a good enough reason)

Also, Paladen's TWD ops have been doing this for their players for a long time. In no way is it "playing favorites" or so.

Not exactly identical situation, but an example of bypassing 24-reset/48-waiting rule: I leave a squad. I'm squadless for 1 month. I want to change my name but I've forgotten to !reset this one, so I'd have to wait 24 hours for my name to reset before I can register the name I want to join TWD with. I don't see a problem with TWD op bypassing that 24 hour waiting period.

Just as I don't see a reason for not bypassing NO <3's request. A TWD op may have no clue about TWL squads' situations or invitations, so as MirrorriM said, NO <3 was indeed horribly lucky. You can't honestly go blaming a TWD op for this, as Puma was indeed just a TWD squad when it happened.

It's in TWD ops' jurisdiction whether to bypass a player's name-reset time or squadhop-waiting time. But I doubt they do it just like that without a reason.

[Dethdefire]

Dethde I can tell you a secret. It has to do with power. Ever since the 48 hour rule came into effect, if there's been a decent reason to bypass it, you could naturally ask a staffer to help you with it. It's to lessen doublesquadders after all, which HAS reduced. (EDIT: And going from a TWL squad to a TWD squad, [not neccessarily squadhop even if you just joined the TWL squad] I'd personally think you want to help the TWD squad, so that's a good enough reason)

Also, Paladen's TWD ops have been doing this for their players for a long time. In no way is it "playing favorites" or so.

Not exactly identical situation, but an example of bypassing 24-reset/48-waiting rule: I leave a squad. I'm squadless for 1 month. I want to change my name but I've forgotten to !reset this one, so I'd have to wait 24 hours for my name to reset before I can register the name I want to join TWD with. I don't see a problem with TWD op bypassing that 24 hour waiting period.

Just as I don't see a reason for not bypassing NO <3's request. A TWD op may have no clue about TWL squads' situations or invitations, so as MirrorriM said, NO <3 was indeed horribly lucky. You can't honestly go blaming a TWD op for this, as Puma was indeed just a TWD squad when it happened.

It's in TWD ops' jurisdiction whether to bypass a player's name-reset time or squadhop-waiting time. But I doubt they do it just like that without a reason.

Please dont insult my intellegence. Read what I just typed about my conversation with falk. Falk knew puma was invited into TWL because I personally told him, thus there should not have been a bypass. Honestly I think who ever said there was a bypass is full of shit. Falk personally told me that he knew No <3 was sisqo and that he told no <3 he had to wait 10 more hours to apply to puma. REGUARDLESS, even if there was a bypass, the TWL ops need to be responsible enough to correct any conflictions that may happen from a TWD op's actions durring the TWL season.

[Shadowmere]

I doubt Falk went around telling TWL ops that NO <3 shouldn't be given a bypass on the waiting time, meaning how would the TWL ops know?

Also, how can you tell Falk that Puma was gonna be invited to TWL if it wasn't even announced on TWL site? As far as I understood from what Pascone said, Heracy was (playing?/)starting their TWL game when all this happened, so even TWL ops didn't know Puma was gonna replace them yet. I can be wrong if I misunderstood something.

Anyways, even if Falk didn't grant him the freedom from the waiting, someone did. It wasn't a mistake and it didn't even become a problem. He joined a TWD team from a TWL team with most likely the meaning of helping the squad he joined, Puma. As said multiple times, he got lucky, he WAS eligible to play. What happened, happened by the rules and there's nothing that should be corrected. You're forcing the fact he was given a bypass, but that's not breaking any rule.

[Dethdefire]

I doubt Falk went around telling TWL ops that NO <3 shouldn't be given a bypass on the waiting time, meaning how would the TWL ops know?

Also, how can you tell Falk that Puma was gonna be invited to TWL if it wasn't even announced on TWL site? As far as I understood from what Pascone said, Heracy was (playing?/)starting their TWL game when all this happened, so even TWL ops didn't know Puma was gonna replace them yet. I can be wrong if I misunderstood something.

Anyways, even if Falk didn't grant him the freedom from the waiting, someone did. It wasn't a mistake and it didn't even become a problem. He joined a TWD team from a TWL team with most likely the meaning of helping the squad he joined, Puma. As said multiple times, he got lucky, he WAS eligible to play. What happened, happened by the rules and there's nothing that should be corrected. You're forcing the fact he was given a bypass, but that's not breaking any rule.

Like I said before, this conversaton occured around 4-5pm, after Puma accepted their invitiation into TWL. Any more briliant questions? Also, I edited my former post so Re-read it. There was no possible way a twd op put no <3 on the roster manually based of the times given by mself and pasone in my edited post.

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