What will you do?

[Dreamwin]

those squads with so much talent on them should split into 3 squads. more competitive.

True. This is the thing i've been talking about whole season. 5+ squads have players that could constitute 2 competetive lines by splitting up.

Perhaps its time to finally cut roster sizes down to about 20-25.

yes, it could be 20-25 when were talking about LD and LJ squads.
TWLB squads need roster limit of 30 ppl.

Something must be done with this. We cant force players to join "non-powerhousesquad" but it would make TWL alot competetive than it is atm.

Also, TWL squads need loyal and active captains to keep squad up and make sure they show enough players for each game.


PS. Nice words rule.
-> People listen to him.

[squallFF8]

I started playing this game in early 99

i dont plan on quitting anytime soon.

twl isnt as competative,

but by no means is it dead. or even close

there are about 3 squads with roster issues in terms of getting the right amount of players... (examples... sage in ld, paladen in lj)

the rest are serious about at least one league.
sage doesnt show for ld but show for lb everytime.

if anything id say ld is getting hit the worst.
lj has decent opponents, probably about 4 squads with 1 loss.

and lb isnt as strong but its not gonna die.


i think we'll have to wait until next season to make the proper judgement call on whether or not it can go on

[Jones]

the thing that annoys me is that there is a 24/7 system which updates stats on a super duper website in some mere minute with bots who never die. and then there's a hard-to-navigate-ugly site with stats that barely are updated even tho there are only a few games once a week.

seriously, get a better twl site with working statistics, nicer schedules, better recording for each game, ie. speclog. you cant even click on the players names in lj and ld. there are STILL links that havent been changed since it was released, what season 7? yeah whatever happened to the one strike designed?

[Singer]

Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming,

As for the roster size, cutting it down to 25 might be an option but I would tweak it a little with something like a rule stating that: "All squads during the TWL season may recruit up to 4-5 players until playoffs start"... this could help squads in needs of activity, players who's been fucked over and are left squadless and that wants to join a squad before the playoffs start or just some players who feels like they'd prefer having a shot with another squad...

We're at a stage where we want the people to get more involved in the game, if we make the rules in a way that splits everything in half and then divides them in more well we wont be making much good for the future.

So if anyone feels like there are rules that needs some remodeling I think its best to do it now also,
there was alot of talk about some squads' admission into TWL, share your 2 cents..

Reference: http://twl.trenchwars.org/index.php?...twl&page=rules
.............: http://twd.trenchwars.org/documents/rules

[squallFF8]

Meh i dunno what everyone is complaining about



did any of you not notice?
how many twl vet squads dissolved before the beginning of this season?

i know squads dissolve after every twl...

but squads like basingcrew, antiscrub, boz, ancients and syndicate have been contending for years..

and id say like 80% of their roster went inactive for each squad.

that leaves room for an extra couple... "toughs... builds and paladens" to qualify to twl. hence... shit like this happens


everything will be fine,

the players who went inactive will be active by next twl.

i predict it to flourish compared to this season

[eelam <tw>]

re

Squads are not taking inniative. If you think about it Pandora brought a whole new player database to basing. The players we got were all fairly new to league and considered "newbs" except a few, same with penetrate so there is new blood coming in. But squads need to start looking at new players who will give there squad some sparks and recruit them. For us, renzi is having a breakout season, in lj assasino, and marge having good seasons. Its up to squads to find new blood that will do good, many squad captains just look over "new" players trying to get vets, which wont happen and that why we have all these squads unable to show players, because 1.) they unwilling to recruit new talent, 2) vets dont like joining new squads unless it is a bunch of friends. It is just the captains need to get smarter in their recruiting process.

[Zerzera]

1.) they unwilling to recruit new talent, 2) vets dont like joining new squads unless it is a bunch of friends. It is just the captains need to get smarter in their recruiting process.

Most squads already have 35 players, why would they recruit new players?

I wouldn't have mind joining a 'new' squad, but I only ever enjoyed playing TWL-B and there are only a few teams who are going to make it in but anyone can join a TWL-B team.

Every league I asked myself; does this squad really need me to play TWL? Most of the time there were players who wanted the spot more, so I didn't feel like playing TWL.

I won't be there next TWL, just like this TWL and the previous TWL.

The time that TWL was something elite and exciting was 5 years ago. Now there's, what, 12 teams with ~35 players per league. How is that exciting?

You don't have to be dedicated to the leagues that way. It doesn't matter if you can't show for TWL, because there's about 25 other squadmates to fill in in for you. It's not likely it will make a big difference who is put in, because everyone has been doing the same tricks for 5 years. Shooting down from a cram in spider.. woopdidoo...

TWL( B ) would have been alot better if there had been 20 teams of 20 active players instead of 15 of 35 semi active players. Not everyone would be able to make it into TWL and thus TWD would still have meant something during qualifying.
Now, even when you don't make it into TWL with your current squad, a good player can still make it into a TWL-squad.
Then during TWL there will be the bickering of players that want to play a game, but it will most likely be the same ~8 players playing all the games.

But who the fuck cares, it's over soon.

[Unabled]

-I think a few things need to be done for starters we need some new faces in staff that are actually not basers lol..

-Website needs to be fixed to run a lot smoother

-Get players more involved in how things work.. Like actually hosting stuff that people want hosted..

-Maybe change pubs around so only people with a certain usage can enter each one and once they have reached the right usage it sends them to a little tougher one.. This would help the newbie players develope some skills instead of just being thrown into the pub and getting pwnt by some vet who has nothing better to do

-Give the players of twl a reason to show up every week i mean.. Taking me for example iv mvp'd just about every game but 1 or 2 iv played in this year of twl and no one knows anything about it... Hell half of the players dont know what squad they facing what time it is or w.e they just show on sunday and see what happens...

-Make a league for like deathmatch.. Have teams of 5 sign up and hold tournaments kinda like what they did with twlm who knows how long ago... And develope some kind of rewards system..

Thats about all i got at the moment.. Theres just hardly any reason who people who have been around a while to care and the people who are new dont know what to do and arent helped at all

[PrOnEsSim]

I completely agree that squad captains should recruit new players for the sake of the game. Though there are so many amount of egotistical players out there its hard to do this. I don't mind "new players" on my squadron, we as a squadron can just train them I don't see whats the problem in that. In Extreme Games squads have recruit squads, that new players join and be tested out before joining the real squad, I don't understand why Trench Wars do the same thing? (this might be a roster size solution aswell) I think what I'm trying to say is we need new blood, and yes this is going somewhere to Singer's post.

The leagues will not die,till I think this game dies. It will only die if the players want to it do die. Players will leave if they think its time for them to leave. I will try to train new players, even though I'm not that of an "VET" player myself for next season, etc.

[IceStorm]

I never thought i'd say this .. but we need more ignites out there haha

[Chuckle]

i havent really been reading this thread and maybe some1 said this i dont feel like looking at all those long paragraphs...

instead of cutting down roster to split up skill or making all these farm squads (which i think is retarded few people want to waste their time like that)
why dont we finally raise the # of players in leagues? i.e. instead of 5v5 in ld and lj make it 8v8 or something. i dont think u need to increase LB much (maybe thats why lb squads never dissolve). More people get to play, more people get better sinice more people play. In essence, all squads become more of farm squads and squads get to keep their large rosters.

[Evul Fly]

-Next TWL, will you still be around?
Yea, unless penetrate wins the title
-Next TWL, will you be able to help in any way?
NO
-Next TWL, will you change anything in any way...?
NO

[Exalt]

great way to be totally unhelpful in everything evul fly :fear:

anyways i think rule had a great post, and people should read it

[Geio]

Rule that was quite a good post. I would like to say I am most likely bringing my old squad back called 'boxer'. I lead them to most victories in the 2005 season, were we were going to receive a TWL spot being in 5th place on the TWD ladder. I decided to dissolve due to the simple fact I would be going into the military and couldnt yield my active and greatfull leadership to my squadron, I was trying to make my co-caps 'stay' but they said if I left they would too...so in a nut shell it wasnt a great idea. Now that Im back im looking forward to getting a new player base to my squad 'boxer' and have some of the older players re-join me. There is a lot of new talent out there. Not individual talent, but the newer players I find are better at teaming, helping out a lot more. I used to be a individual player, but now I find you are far greater with a team, than any great individual player. Id rather have pub_aznDude1189 team with me and sacrifice his life to fly alongside me, than to have a individual player with the skills of sika. Na mein?

[Kings]

Would a squad like -f- having part of style or lifeban wbs on their roster make the league more active? no. But it would be more stable simply by having the name -Final- on the twl.org webpage and twd.org . Is that necessary? I dislike thinking that way because it shows praticly no issues, but going both ways look problematic.

One side is painful on short terms. they don't play and says we're "name a squad", we don't need to play games. Let us be with our sole game a week. Twd activity has decreased as we have seen the past seasons (i do not want to get in "tw population is decreasing" discussion atm), and i think ratio wise, there was more twd games back then than the last season these kids were in the league. I know for a fact that it is very frustrating when you search for a game and can't get any, not one day, not 2 days, but for 4 days straight, during eastern time 5-8.

On the other side, an active squad like lifeban that shows immaturity (as you may think, it is an interesting fact) does contribute in twd for activeness, but greatly decrease the zone appealness. As an example, i have noticed these forums have been slithly pushed to mute mode for the past 2 years. The actrive members in the community, were players that were part of the established squads. I wouldn't have brought that if the new squads had leaders who truly showed leaderships, but it seems they lack a little something on that side. In a rough way, we could say that these new squads should not be run by idiots, but sadly, only idiots have the blind guts to create a squad and many of us have noticed that creating a squad is much more difficult than most think.

So, what's the point of all of this? Only vets should create new squads, and recruit new people? New squads captains should undergo mental exams before being accepted into twl? This looks like so hardcore for a game like this, but heh, that's how things are created in this 2001 century. right now, the league have seen the two sides, It's up to them (League leaders, ops, whatever you call them) to REdecide wheter or not they want stability or activeness and to motivate the rest of the community (if only the community wants to, which is where the declining population comes in, causing havoc like we see right now)

my 2 cents.