What will you do?

[Izor]

Leadership - More mature people need to step up. Strong leadership is the core of every squad (and Staff). I think competitive squad leader's need to push their player's to be active.

I agree with you 50/50. Staff needs to be more mature...when I keep getting banned for ridiculous amounts of time for almost no reason it is hard for me to be active and run my squad. Also, when I make comments that are repeated by others in the same thread and get banned for them its easy to make the case that its pretty stupid to ban me for that.

As far as captains, I would never tell my squad to be more active or get rid of them if they arent. I wont often times be around on a friday or saturday night these days, and i expect that my squaddies wont be either. I'm not 16 anymore, and theres shit to do..the same can be said for everyone on my squad too. Maybe once or twice a week ill try to get people to come on, but other than that I'm happy that they have lives. But also remember that when i'm banned on bullshit and my squad has 3 people on + me, who is really suffering from that in the end? Us or the other squad with 4 people on that now doesnt have an opponent

EDIT: Also, staffers such as pascone and nethila being in charge of anything like TWL is a bad idea, because they dont make good decisions. Selectively choosing squads to participate in leagues and therefore alienating a pretty good part of TW just doesnt make sense to me (pascone). Neither does talking shit to the people who you ultimately want to participate in the league when making decisions and berating them (pascone, nethila). Theres a lot of questionable decisions that will be made in the course of a season but theres no need to tell the whole league how retarded theyre being. i think mirror has been the best so far at just simply explaining why a decision was made and what it is without childish comments like 'why arent you around now' when someones squad was chosen not to participate in a league despite having qualified...really what did you expect dumbass?

[Confluence]

childish comments like 'why arent you around now' when someones squad was chosen not to participate in a league despite having qualified...really what did you expect dumbass? -- Izor



scoop will swoop in to troll in on this thread now that I've spoken here, but izor's got a point. Pascone has gone to this logic a couple of times now in an attempt to trump logic with this moronic thought, but izor hit this right on the head.

[Scoop]

childish comments like 'why arent you around now' when someones squad was chosen not to participate in a league despite having qualified...really what did you expect dumbass? -- Izor



scoop will swoop in to troll in on this thread now that I've spoken here, but izor's got a point. Pascone has gone to this logic a couple of times now in an attempt to trump logic with this moronic thought, but izor hit this right on the head.

commence trolling.

nah i agree with you this time. its starting to get out of control. izor for prez

[Cig Smoke]

I'v only been saying that the roster limit should be lowerd since like season 6 when single league squasd like a-s and spastic had 40 ppl for 1 league.

Also i think the method of choosing the TWL squads should change. TWD is a great tool to help, but because they are qualified on the TWD ladder for TWL it shouldnt mean they get in TWL. There should also be a limit on the rating points against and so on. That way u dont have newbie squads gettin in over deserving squads. Plus i think the squads should have to have more then 10 games played in each or whatever it is. Double that, or tripple that atleast in LD/LJ. That'll make people more active in TWD for TWL. It will also prevent those squasd like Lifeban who come rite b4 TWL win some games and get in then dissolve on us.


There are many changes that can be made to get the game more active, and the league more attention like in the past, just no one is doin them. Then again, mayb the game has past its prime and is gonna end soon. But i dont really see that happening.

[Rule]

I agree with you 50/50. Staff needs to be more mature...when I keep getting banned for ridiculous amounts of time for almost no reason it is hard for me to be active and run my squad. Also, when I make comments that are repeated by others in the same thread and get banned for them its easy to make the case that its pretty stupid to ban me for that.

As far as captains, I would never tell my squad to be more active or get rid of them if they arent. I wont often times be around on a friday or saturday night these days, and i expect that my squaddies wont be either. I'm not 16 anymore, and theres shit to do..the same can be said for everyone on my squad too. Maybe once or twice a week ill try to get people to come on, but other than that I'm happy that they have lives. But also remember that when i'm banned on bullshit and my squad has 3 people on + me, who is really suffering from that in the end? Us or the other squad with 4 people on that now doesnt have an opponent

EDIT: Also, staffers such as pascone and nethila being in charge of anything like TWL is a bad idea, because they dont make good decisions. Selectively choosing squads to participate in leagues and therefore alienating a pretty good part of TW just doesnt make sense to me (pascone). Neither does talking shit to the people who you ultimately want to participate in the league when making decisions and berating them (pascone, nethila). Theres a lot of questionable decisions that will be made in the course of a season but theres no need to tell the whole league how retarded theyre being. i think mirror has been the best so far at just simply explaining why a decision was made and what it is without childish comments like 'why arent you around now' when someones squad was chosen not to participate in a league despite having qualified...really what did you expect dumbass?

Staff do make mistakes and are unevenly biased at times. That said they make the zone and the leagues run, and when they make mistakes they usually work to fix them. We need an impartial system of squad qualification's for TWL. When mistakes are made staff should be held accountable, in a productive way that benefits the leagues and the zone. Thing's need to be setup in a way that there is no room for error or biases in selection, decisions should not be made based on select interpration.

Izor your eager to place blame and talk about staff's immaturity - time to look at your own. When you consistently get banned there is a reason for it. If you don't want to bother showing up for games, or leading an active squad - what's the point of having you in the league? What's the point of trashtalk and flaming on the boards and in the game - when your not involved in the league and can't field enough for a game (the other squad is better off getting a free 50-0 if you don't want to bother). Back in the day there would be competitive rivalries and trashtalk, the difference was player's would back it up through skilled play. So much wasted potential. A lot of player's and squads who have the potential to be competitive throw it away, and come up with the same old excuses - never taking responsibility. Player's don't need to be around on Friday/Saturday nights to be active and in shape - everyone has lives. New generation of player's will need better squad leader's, ones who can improve the league not bring it down. Need more people who are positive about the game and want to contribute.

[midoent]

Im not sure if ill play next twl, but if i will ill be captaining a squad. Learned the hard way that twl doesnt work out for me otherwise

[Daldur]

Squads are not taking inniative. If you think about it Pandora brought a whole new player database to basing. The players we got were all fairly new to league and considered "newbs" except a few, same with penetrate so there is new blood coming in. But squads need to start looking at new players who will give there squad some sparks and recruit them. For us, renzi is having a breakout season, in lj assasino, and marge having good seasons. Its up to squads to find new blood that will do good, many squad captains just look over "new" players trying to get vets, which wont happen and that why we have all these squads unable to show players, because 1.) they unwilling to recruit new talent, 2) vets dont like joining new squads unless it is a bunch of friends. It is just the captains need to get smarter in their recruiting process.

This is a good idea, however when some of the better squads recruit "newer" players there can be some contraversy between them and some of the older players. Quotes such as this come about:

rough> who the fuk is sir chrono

Anyhow I don't think many of the older palyers would be accepting of new blood to their squads. Also many squads play the same players each and every season so newer players would be a useless addition, even if they were better than some of the older players. Experience and Ego always seem to find preferance over skill, it's a true fact.

Also Renzi, Marge and assassino (the players you mentioned) are not that new, they have just changed names so many times that other players couldn't give a fuck anymore. They've probably been around longer than most people think.

- Dald

[Exalt]

This is a good idea, however when some of the better squads recruit "newer" players there can be some contraversy between them and some of the older players. Quotes such as this come about:

rough> who the fuk is sir chrono

Anyhow I don't think many of the older palyers would be accepting of new blood to their squads. Also many squads play the same players each and every season so newer players would be a useless addition, even if they were better than some of the older players. Experience and Ego always seem to find preferance over skill, it's a true fact.

Also Renzi, Marge and assassino (the players you mentioned) are not that new, they have just changed names so many times that other players couldn't give a fuck anymore. They've probably been around longer than most people think.

- Dald

Who cares? If the new players can't get in a squad because they have no experience, they can just make their own squad. And if they have any skill like you say then they will make twl.

[Spawnisen]

If we all bake world biggest cake and eat it, we win

[Izor]

Staff do make mistakes and are unevenly biased at times. That said they make the zone and the leagues run, and when they make mistakes they usually work to fix them.

Izor your eager to place blame and talk about staff's immaturity - time to look at your own. When you consistently get banned there is a reason for it.

I think we've already come to the conclusion that both the zone and leagues are on a very rapid decline. If you want proof of either look at the increasing number of 'doomsday' threads, or the number of squads dropping out of league this year. Is TWL just that old and boring that no one wants to play it when they have a negative record? No, the leadership running it is just awful. If fistula had been invited to TWLJ like they deserved I can (almost) guarantee they'd still be in TWLD right now. But when you fucked their season over by selectively not inviting them to TWL for a squad that sucks anyway. Tell me how they can work to fix that mistake. Tell me how you can even justify that mistake having been made.

My own immaturity on this game isnt in question. I'm not responsible for anything on the game, so whether or not I want to act like staffers should doesnt matter. You cleverly dodged my point about pascone and nethila before him berating squads that would come up with an appeal or have a question about a decision they made. I look forward to seeing you try and defend that.

[Sufficient]

All I can say is:

Sufficient's TWL Championship Titles: 1
Izor's Fantasy Football Championship Titles: 1

Damn ... it's a tie. Sorry being a douche doesn't count as a championship title or else you'd win.

[Izor]

if i posted that id get banned for derailing

[Rule]

I think we've already come to the conclusion that both the zone and leagues are on a very rapid decline. If you want proof of either look at the increasing number of 'doomsday' threads, or the number of squads dropping out of league this year. Is TWL just that old and boring that no one wants to play it when they have a negative record? No, the leadership running it is just awful. If fistula had been invited to TWLJ like they deserved I can (almost) guarantee they'd still be in TWLD right now. But when you fucked their season over by selectively not inviting them to TWL for a squad that sucks anyway. Tell me how they can work to fix that mistake. Tell me how you can even justify that mistake having been made.

My own immaturity on this game isnt in question. I'm not responsible for anything on the game, so whether or not I want to act like staffers should doesnt matter. You cleverly dodged my point about pascone and nethila before him berating squads that would come up with an appeal or have a question about a decision they made. I look forward to seeing you try and defend that.

I don't need to defend anything. Not interested in petty arguments. I think the Fistula decision was a mistake, we need a better system of squad selection. Doomsday threads come and go. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Pascone and Nethila included. I have noticed cases where they could have handled things more maturely - they have to deal with a lot of whining, bitching & flaming. You think that because your not staff, its fine to sit around and criticize their every move while not being responsible for your own. Grow up. Do something productive for the game.

[Izor]

Grow up. Do something productive for the game.

Such as? As a player what can I do? Ive thrown out my ideas on this game for some time now, and I have run a squad thats been around for a few years now...what more do you want out of me?

[Zizu]

sage doesnt show for ld

1 time we didn't show 5 for our ld and that was a saturday game scheduled by staff.