My Proposal for League Structure for Next Season

[Zeebu]

if you could give a guess, how big is the SVS playerbase? are they all active often or just for their games? are there any roster caps?


i honestly dont really care what happens with twl anymore, as long as something does

the way you put it static, i like that idea

[Static Burn]

Splitting the leagues is a bad idea I think, this will just cause too many people who play the league that is in the offseason to stop playing, and they may not come back when their league starts.

I played in the SVS zone league (premier league) this season I think they have a very good sytem. It's a pyramid league and everyone starts off the season equal and the results of the games decides who goes into the pro/intermediate/amateur tiers. At the end of the regular season (this season was 12 weeks long) Every team who earned their spot in Pro enters the pro playoffs and the winner of that is the Pro Champion. Same thing happens in the Intermediate and Amateur tiers. This gives every squad an incentive to keep playing because everyone makes it into the playoffs of the tier they end up in. Every week the matchups are decided by a squads spot on the pyramid. The #1 squad plays #2, #3 plays #4, etc. The top squad in Intermediate plays the bottom squad in Pro every week, allowing for movement between the tiers. This system makes for close matchups and prevents blowout games. This also ensures that every squad but the very top and very bottom are going to win some games and lose some games, so squads don't get bored/discourage by too many easy victories or too many blowout defeats. A major downside of this league is that squads often end up facing the same squad multiple times, but I think the upsides outweigh this downside. For TWL we could try 2 tiers of 8 teams each, with those 16 teams having to qualify through the TWD system. Or we could add a 3rd tier (for TWLJ and TWLD, probably not TWLb) and allow another 8 or more teams in, depending on how many teams are interested.

[Reaver]

The fact that players must split their time between 3 leagues makes me believe that competition and activity would be better if the leagues were split. What makes you believe basers won't try out wb and javs more? I'm not saying there will be a huge change. But to me it makes perfect sense that wb and javs would get a slight or even mediocre boost if split from basing, and vice versa.

Remember the vets won't change whatever new changes are made. They've played this game long enough. It's just like any other game that you've played for awhile. There's really no way to "force" vets to care or be more active. On the other hand, there are kinda big ways where you can get newbies involved, active, and competitive.

Pyramid is a big change, and I still think it's up in the air how well it'll work. Sure Premier League has been using it. I dunno how it's been going though. And I really dunno why you believe it will discourage squads from quitting league. Sure give it a try ... I think change is the biggest thing TW needs ... whatever that change may be.

I don't disagree that there will be a few more people involved in leagues that otherwise wouldn't be involved in. But what you're not taking into account is the overall effect splitting TWL up will have. Right now it's once a year, people come out from inactivity at certain times, the whole zone get's active. TWL split up doesn't have that, people will be coming and going at all different times. This happens now, but not anywhere near the degree it will have when TWL is split up.

Think about why TWD is so uncompetitive. There's two main reasons: You can play games anytime you want (and many many games do go down) and there's no reward. Well obviously there's a reward in TWL now and there would be if it's split up. If TWL is split up then you no longer have scheduled games for only 4 months of the year, now you've spread it out throughout the majority of the year and TWL can no longer be classified as selective games. It's essentially become a prized TWD, except you can't bd at the same times you can jd/dd.

To understand why pyramid league would help cause fewer dropouts, you'd first have to understand why squads drop out. There are numerous reasons but some of the most important ones are: poor captains, squads getting crushed in lopsided matches in TWL (or just losing at all really), etc. I don't think there's any feasible way to ensure there are good captains running all TWL squads. But pyramid league would have squads that are similar in skill level playing each other so you'd rarely have some squad getting crushed in LD 50-20. That's bad. It's boring for the audience to watch the game, it's boring for the squad winning the game, and it's no fun for the squad losing the game. Pyramid league helps minimize these games.

[Izor]

You still have idiot TWL staffers to consider before you think of any idea to try and benefit the league

[Zeebu]

even if splitting up wont promise increased activity, it still shouldnt drop it. also, i enjoy watching some of the otehr games. if we split it up, theres a chance i might get to watchin a few more of the games than i do now. there would be fewer games each week and that would allow more spots to open for caps to agree on. thatd also allow for games to be more spread out over that 5 hours or whatever instead of having all the wb games from 1-2 then all teh jav games from 2-3 then all lb's from 3-4.

but if this does happen, i hope time slots wouldnt be decreased

[concealed]

If we were to create a tiered league system, i think we should change it to 2 tiers, as opposed to 3. I feel like there may already be little desire to move from amateur to intermediate right now, that it would be repetitive. Also there is very little competition in league as of now, and this fact makes it seem unlikely that new squads will come out of nowhere to play "tiered leagues"

I think the only serious way to change leagues is to implement a serious roster limit. 15 people for a 1 league squad (dueling squad/javs) in add 5 if they are in javs/wb, add 10 if they are in basing. For a 1 league basing squad they may 20, but add 5 for each dueling league. That way l33t squads like dice/diso will still be able to have 30.

30 person max for TWD

Everyone always complains, says let people be on the squads they want, but theres so many people on all the good squads, and to deny this is just ignorant. Why not give it a chance? There really is no need to have more than this, since most squads for dueling/javs play the same ~8 players, and basing squads about ~12

[Izor]

hey jackass, exalt never said it was his idea, seeing as how he got the idea from other zones' leagues

[Sufficient]

The fact that players must split their time between 3 leagues makes me believe that competition and activity would be better if the leagues were split. What makes you believe basers won't try out wb and javs more? I'm not saying there will be a huge change. But to me it makes perfect sense that wb and javs would get a slight or even mediocre boost if split from basing, and vice versa.

Remember the vets won't change whatever new changes are made. They've played this game long enough. It's just like any other game that you've played for awhile. There's really no way to "force" vets to care or be more active. On the other hand, there are kinda big ways where you can get newbies involved, active, and competitive.

Pyramid is a big change, and I still think it's up in the air how well it'll work. Sure Premier League has been using it. I dunno how it's been going though. And I really dunno why you believe it will discourage squads from quitting league. Sure give it a try ... I think change is the biggest thing TW needs ... whatever that change may be.

[Reaver]

Players already take a break during most of the year when TWL doesn't happen. At least there is activity throughout the year if we have TWLB separate from TWLJ and TWLD. Pyramid scheme is a lot more iffy idea. Even dividing leagues into pro and ama is an iffy idea.

Main thing is preventing squads from dropping out and increasing or maintaining an active interest (from both newbies and vets ... put probably more towards newbies).

That's exactly what I'm talking about, players already take a break, which is exactly why it's naive to think that if we spread TWL out people would stay active to focus on another league. Pyramid scheme is not iffy, it's a proven success outside of this game but also within this game, in other zones. Pyramid league wouldn't stop squads from dropping out but It would make it so fewer squads drop out.

[Sufficient]

Splitting the leagues up into a time for LB and another time for LJ/LD is a mediocre idea. Assuming that because you've split up the league, people that were previously focused on LD or LJ will now focus on LB (and vice versa) is a naive one. People are just as likely to take that time off as a break.

Players already take a break during most of the year when TWL doesn't happen. At least there is activity throughout the year if we have TWLB separate from TWLJ and TWLD. Pyramid scheme is a lot more iffy idea. Even dividing leagues into pro and ama is an iffy idea.

Main thing is preventing squads from dropping out and increasing or maintaining an active interest (from both newbies and vets ... put probably more towards newbies).

[Reaver]

Splitting the league system into a pyramid system with a premier and intermediate league is a good idea and should be done. Splitting the leagues up into a time for LB and another time for LJ/LD is a mediocre idea. Assuming that because you've split up the league, people that were previously focused on LD or LJ will now focus on LB (and vice versa) is a naive one. People are just as likely to take that time off as a break. In a best case scenario people would go from league to league but that's just not going to happen, at least not on a large enough scale to warrant splitting the leagues up.

I'm still undecided about how the qualification process should go but I'm leaning towards using this TWL's results for just the first season of this new tiered system. From then on out, the worst performing squad in premier would go to intermediate, the winning squad in intermediate would move up to pro, any squads that dissolve would just be given a score of 0 for the rest of the season (no replacement). This ensured nobody is going to dissolve a squad in some lame attempt to move another squad up into premier league. If a premier league squad dissolved then the winner and runner up from intermediate league would move up (or the winner from intermediate league would move up and the worst performing squad in premier would stay).

[Tsumetai]

Honestly, it sounds like a really interesting idea. But the staff will never implement even a fraction of it because they're too afraid of change and possibly fucking everything up.

What they don't realize, of course, is that SS can just as easily die from stagnation as from poor decisions that change the leagues. I'm enjoying myself under the current system, but a hell of a lot of people aren't, apparently.

Does any old time senior member of staff have the balls to take control and bring real innovation to the game? Only time will tell, but I'm betting no.

[Dreamwin]

I like this

Inter Winner : Plade

[Ephemeral]

Lets start a Credibility League.

The following people will not qualify:
Eelam

[MetalHeadz]

Jesus fuck, add incomprehensible to the list of eelams flaws.

Sounded like utter wankness. And what is pandora doing in 'pro' section?