six teams in playoffs?

[Salubrious]

How about 8 squads, 4 squad playoffs, but during regular season each team plays each other team 2 times. TWL season becomes a little bit longer, squads get more of a chance to upset better squads, and better squads get the opportunity to redeem themselves if they were previously upsetted.

Come playoffs, make each play off game best 2 of 3 to 15 minutes with 4 squads.

Finals, same as usual.



A separate idea just for finals is to structure it so you have a second week of finals if necessary. Say week A is finals and one squad wins both games, then TWL is done and we have a champion. But if both squads each win a game, we can have the super-awesome-ultimate-best-of-best finals game the following week, giving players on both teams a week to rest up, work on some secret tactics, buy some performance-enhancing drugs. Then in week B, it'll be one game, winner take all. Both teams have two weeks to finally show their best.

In terms of scheduling though, this may or may not work depending on if this falls on a holiday or not (hello christmas, new years).

[a2m+]

6 teams, top 2 get first week byes

[paradise!]

the same e-players will continue to host the same e-cup.

its either get better or take your beatings.

changing the rules wont fix that.

you can increase the league to as many teams as you want, but that wont matter in the least to the top select squads that have a chance to win.

the same 4 squads will compete for the win.

then you have the following 4 or so squads that will compete for 5th-8th.

then if you want to, you can add more squads that will compete for 9th-#th.

with a few upsets the 5th-6th places could take out the 4th.

the 9th-10th range squads could compete for the 7th or 8th positions.


as far as it really goes though, there probably wont be any big upsets.

we no longer have the playerbase to support 12+ competitive squads with a 35 man roster. (thats 420 different people btw)

some say the solution lies in dropping the twl roster caps. i have mixed feelings on that, but it probably shouldnt happen. the only way this makes sense at all is on a per league basis. it is a downright bad idea to make a roster cap in twd (training squads, inactivity, waiting periods among other reasons)

Once a player gets good enough those top squads take them onto the squad and they win with them. The same players will win every season forever and ever. I only know few good players who stick around on decent squads rather than joining the squad where they are surrounded by vets. The people who are taken on will most likely receive zero playing time and will just tag-a-long for the recognition.

This is subpace-politics as usual. Everyone who is on a decent squad tries to move a step up so they can at LEAST ride the bench for a beast squad. I don't know how people can do that, but hey, thats how it is. That's why i'm saying great seperate leagues.

Think about it, there are only 5 spots in one match. Megaman will take up one spot for several years, stayon as well, and the rest of those dice guys, no one who is considered decent at this time will take that spot unless they become the new NYD (went from a talkative newbie, to a silent vet in 4 months). People like megaman and whoever aren't likely going to lose their starting spot. I'm sounding like a tw-socialist here, but i'd say cut this shit up, spread these "vets" around the decent squads, create some ACTUAL competition.

That's why i don't undestand pitting squads like Laser, the one i'm in, against squads like Dice. What the fuck result do you expect? You might as well cancel the regular season, skip right to twl finals with Dice vs. Thunder, everyone else can just quit. Nope point like you said, just disband and pray to get on thunder or dice, and create 2 mega squads, where only 5 people from each can play during lj. The system right now needs revision, absolutely hostile atmosphere for decent squads. Squads like dice/thunder are lovin it cause they have the same 5 guys playing every match. They will always win, that simple.

[pascone]

i don't know what me being on sake has to do with anything

it makes no sense whatsoever to have 6/8 teams make the playoffs. that will make the regular season of twl extremely worthless and a large waste of time.

i will agree that it seems that there is no definitive answer towards what will be the situation.

thus, we definately need mirror to chime in very soon

[Downfall]

4 teams playoffs.

[Jeenyuss]

there is more 6 team support than i thought there'd be.

[Voth]

6 teams, top 2 get first week byes

imo

[MirrorriM]

Hmm, I've been following the thread and I see positives and negatives for both sides. We dont want the TWL season to be worthless, but we dont want playoffs to be boring either. I dont have an answer right now, so keep the discussion going. In my personal opinion, I would rather not let playoffs be too easy to obtain, but if you guys believe it would be better for TWL, then keep the discussion going.

[RednaZ]

League has been announced, it's going to start, don't go changing stuff now.

[pascone]

League has been announced, it's going to start, don't go changing stuff now.

thats the problem, nothing is established

[Downfall]

re-instate pascone!














jks

[MirrorriM]

Actually playoffs have been established. Written in the rules...still open to opinions on playoffs however. Besides some scheduling for LD, what else is not established? Please let me know so I can be prepared.

[pascone]

Came up with this scenario:


TWLD already is 2 weeks longer than regular season of lj and lb

Thus-

top 6 make twld playoffs, top 2 get bye week

then

top 3 squads in twlj and twlb after regular season make the playoffs. the next 4 squads go into a 2 week mini tourny (played during the final 2 weeks of twld regular season)

squad d (4th best record of twlj/twlb) plays squad g (7th best squad) and e plays f. the following week, the winners play each other for the 4th and final playoff spot


so,

a (best regular season record, make playoffs after regular season)
b (second best regular season record, make playoffs after regular season)
c (third best squad, make playoffs in regular season, will play squad b when playoffs start)
d (fourth best squad, play squad g during week after regular season ends)
e (fifth best squad, play squad f during week after regular season ends)
f (sixth best squad, play squad e during week after regular season ends)
g (seventh best squad, play squad d during week after regular season ends)
h (last place, eliminated after regular season)

WEEK 1:
d vs g
e vs f

WEEK 2:
winner of dg vs winner of ef


yes, this will result in a, b, & c in a long break between games, but i think this is a pretty good system to use based on the small number of squads in twlj and lb combined with the extra 2 weeks there will be regardless

[MirrorriM]

Okay after some discussion I've narrowed down what I think could be the best compromise about playoffs and scheduling and having a longer/more exciting playoff season.

First option is what Pascone proposed:

All divisions would start preseason the same week. For LD, top 2 squads get a bye, next 4 play for the last 2 spots. Then we would have semis and finals.

For LB/LJ, top 3 squads get a bye. Next 4 squads play during the extra 2 weeks of LD season in a mini-tournament for the last spot in playoffs.

All divisions would start and end TWL at the same time.

Pros: Mini-tourny is more exciting; works well with the longer LD season; increases the length of playoffs by 2 weeks.
Cons: 7/8 squads get a chance at playoffs, makes the regular season not as important; top 3 squads sit out for 2 weeks.

Second option:

LD Season starts 2 weeks earlier than LB/LJ. They would start during LD's 2nd Round of TWL. LD's playoffs would be the same as above.

For LB/LJ, top 3 squads get a bye. Squad #4 and Squad #5 play for the last spot in playoffs.

All divisions end TWL at the same time.

Pros: Wild card style for last playoff spot. Only 5 squads have a chance at playoffs, makes regular season more important; increases the length of playoffs by 1 week.
Cons: TWL seasons do not line up between divisions until the playoffs; only 5 instead of 6 squads have a chance at playoffs.

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Both options only allow 4 squads into playoffs for LB/LJ, but includes more 'excitement' than how it is set up now, which is top 4 go into playoffs.

Are either of these a good compromise? If so, which one would you like to have?

[Doc Flabby]

I like the second option but with these changes

3. LD Season starts at the same time as LB/LJ.

- For LD/.LB/LJ, top 3 squads get a bye. Squad #4 and Squad #5 play for the last spot in playoffs.

- LD ends TWL two weeks later than LD and LB.

Pros: Wild card style for last playoff spot. Only 5 squads have a chance at playoffs, makes regular season more important; increases the length of playoffs by 1 week.

Cons: TWL seasons do not line up between divisions at the end.