Thunder's super legit sub by Draft

[Chuckle]

i think the biggest point people are missing (even the idiots on my squad are failing to mention) is that, not only did they get an extra death, I ALSO DIED TO EASE IN THE PROCESS of killing HIM. it was a 2 point swing...

[Draft]

In my defence I wasnt aware what had actually happened till after the game and read up. If I had known what had happened I would of speced. When I read up and realised I shouldnt of even been in, I was annoyed. Then to see that it was intentional and that the person that made the sub meant to do it and was constantly bragging about it... I was furious. So I left Thunder.

For what its worth, Sorry Pirates. Vys is the type of player that could of won a 2 vs 1.

bredgin, is that rly the real reason why you left? it makes me feel bad if it is, i would of subbed in kgt or myself even

Agreed wark. Thunder is a pitiful squad. I hope to god we play them in playoffs. Karma is going to fuck yall.

yo dawg either way, both of the squads make playoffs, i was just trying it for fun, didnt think everyone would take that 1 sub death so serious

(i didnt think it would even work real talk)

Is there not a delay between when you type !sub to when the sub actually takes place? If there is then there is no way draft could have seen the shot coming.

i am asian, i see all, calculated the time and everything of when that shot was going to connect :turned:

[Burnt]

I ALSO DIED TO EASE IN THE PROCESS of killing HIM. it was a 2 point swing...

You must have died before ease did so it would have counted even if there was no sub right?

[Capital Knockers]

Is there not a delay between when you type !sub to when the sub actually takes place? If there is then there is no way draft could have seen the shot coming.

10.03 Substitutions
Each squad will be allowed to have two (2) substitutes for each game. Substitutes must be registered and eligible members of that squad. Squad captains and assistant captains may use their available substitutes at any time during the match.

You can argue the rules should be changed but not that we broke them.

bredgin, is that rly the real reason why you left? it makes me feel bad if it is, i would of subbed in kgt or myself even


yo dawg either way, both of the squads make playoffs, i was just trying it for fun, didnt think everyone would take that 1 sub death so serious

(i didnt think it would even work real talk)

It seems he DID see the shot coming (he did, it was a slower one) as he's taking credit even here for knowingly doing what we're saying he was doing.

10.06 Game Play
Each game will consist of one 30 minute round, and each player will be given a maximum of 10 deaths. In Javelin games, teamkills do count as deaths. The squad that knocks out the entire opponent's line will be declared the winner. If a game reaches the end of 30 minutes, the squad with the least number of deaths will be declared the winner..

I'm not asking for a change in rules, I'm asking the most basic rules to be followed. The sub anytime rule means they can use them at any time during the match, even you mentioned however, that this hasn't happend in a twld before. That 3 second delay was put into place for EXACTLY this reason. To prevent people from lamely subbing someone out right before they die. So if you'd ask me, thats why they didn't feel it needed to add that to the subbing rule, they thought they had it covered. So my question is, if draft obviously lamed his way around a prevention put in place to stop this from happening, why is this okay? So if you get past the security in a bank and rob it clean, and then admit to it later, you can't be arrested because you got past the alarm? Wtf?

[kthx]

5.01
Any Player found to be guilty of cheating to alter game play and to create an unfair advantage during a TWL match will be subject to:

A) Permanent suspension from Trench Wars Leagues participation.

B ) Forfeit of all squad matches the offending player played in the week the offense was discovered.

C) Referral to League Operators and Trench Wars Moderators for immediate punishment including being banned from Trench Wars.

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In my defence I wasnt aware what had actually happened till after the game and read up. If I had known what had happened I would of speced. When I read up and realised I shouldnt of even been in, I was annoyed. Then to see that it was intentional and that the person that made the sub meant to do it and was constantly bragging about it... I was furious. So I left Thunder. - Ardour

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Each squad will be allowed to have two (2) substitutes for each game. Substitutes must be registered and eligible members of that squad. Squad captains and assistant captains may use their available substitutes at any time during the match. The substitute will be placed in the game with the amount of lives left for the slot that they substituted. Registered squad captains and assistant captains can substitute players by private messaging the attending TWBot with !sub.

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Each game will consist of one 30 minute round, and each player will be given a maximum of 10 deaths. In Javelin games, teamkills do count as deaths. The squad that knocks out the entire opponent's line will be declared the winner. If a game reaches the end of 30 minutes, the squad with the least number of deaths will be declared the winner.

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[Capital Knockers]

5.01
Any Player found to be guilty of cheating to alter game play and to create an unfair advantage during a TWL match will be subject to:

A) Permanent suspension from Trench Wars Leagues participation.

B ) Forfeit of all squad matches the offending player played in the week the offense was discovered.

C) Referral to League Operators and Trench Wars Moderators for immediate punishment including being banned from Trench Wars.

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In my defence I wasnt aware what had actually happened till after the game and read up. If I had known what had happened I would of speced. When I read up and realised I shouldnt of even been in, I was annoyed. Then to see that it was intentional and that the person that made the sub meant to do it and was constantly bragging about it... I was furious. So I left Thunder. - Ardour

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Each squad will be allowed to have two (2) substitutes for each game. Substitutes must be registered and eligible members of that squad. Squad captains and assistant captains may use their available substitutes at any time during the match. The substitute will be placed in the game with the amount of lives left for the slot that they substituted. Registered squad captains and assistant captains can substitute players by private messaging the attending TWBot with !sub.

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Each game will consist of one 30 minute round, and each player will be given a maximum of 10 deaths. In Javelin games, teamkills do count as deaths. The squad that knocks out the entire opponent's line will be declared the winner. If a game reaches the end of 30 minutes, the squad with the least number of deaths will be declared the winner.

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^ thanks wark, missed the first one there. I'd really like this to be looked at again, as it's obviously a rightful appeal that was denied before there was even enough time to go over the facts or discuss it properly. A decision made as quickly as this one is highly subject to favouritism. Especially if certain people get mad at certain people that have weight regarding the decisions. Emotions need to be put aside and the correct decision needs to be made.

[Chuckle]

You must have died before ease did so it would have counted even if there was no sub right?

Regardless, ease's death essentially didnt count right? (I suicided ease by the way) And mine did.
There is no arguing around this point. Don't even try.

[Dutch_]

Subbing a player out before he dies is the oldest trick in the book. Now youre gonna whine about it? Also its not like you can time it that well, cuz you have to wait 1 sec before the player gets subbed. Ease was just very lucky.
Darn cheating scumbags from Thunder:P

[Draft]

It seems he DID see the shot coming (he did, it was a slower one) as he's taking credit even here for knowingly doing what we're saying he was doing.

would me seeing it or not matter?

So my question is, if draft obviously lamed his way around a prevention put in place to stop this from happening, why is this okay? So if you get past the security in a bank and rob it clean, and then admit to it later, you can't be arrested because you got past the alarm? Wtf?

it is ok cause no rule can stop this, max 10 deaths? ard+ease=10 ty afk

edit:anyway, i forgot why i made this thread since the appeal was denied alrdy

guess its just entertaining to discuss about it

[Burnt]

Regardless, ease's death essentially didnt count right? (I suicided ease by the way) And mine did.
There is no arguing around this point. Don't even try.

Ease's death didn't count, making it a 1 point swing, not 2 like you claimed.


each player will be given a maximum of 10 deaths. The substitute will be placed in the game with the amount of lives left for the slot that they substituted.

The reason it didn't count is because the bot didn't work properly. Had nothing to do with an "illegal sub" and that's what mirrorrim said was the basis of the appeal. Although Ease did die so mirrorrim's explanation makes no sense either.

[PH]

funny how thunder is in the middle of controversy week after week. props to ardour for bailing on that steaming pile of shit.

honestly, twl ops, how can you come to a decision on this in a matter of minutes and expect to be taken seriously? the evidence has pretty much all been laid out for you. whether it was planned, lucky lag and/or a bot glitch is really irrelevant at this point. the fact is it affected the game unfairly. even burnt basically incriminated his own squad by saying that the rule should be changed. bottom line, jumping to a decision minutes after the match finished was just dumb. i seriously recommend that the twl ops take some time to go over everything that's been said in this thread, particularly wark's posts in which the rules in question are bolded. it's really hard to argue with that if you're running the league by the book, which you damn well should be. i know you're afraid of thunder throwing a tantrum if you reverse your decision, but according to the rules, this appeal definitely should have stood.

small side note: this is also why i try to avoid hosting thunder's games. the law of probability says that there will be some shady behavior any time they play, and they're honestly not worth the headaches that they cause with their bullshit. i'm not worried though, the karma train's coming and they're stuck on the tracks. you can only pull cables, cheat on 9 deaths, file bogus appeals and glitch bots so many times before things this like happen.

oh, and before thunder tries pasting this:

7.06
All decisions made by the TrenchWars League Staff are final. There is no appealing a final judgment.

this is not an appeal. this is an informal request by the players asking you to utilize some common sense and decide to review the ruling yourself. if you don't, you're undermining the league (yet again) by allowing this classless bush league behavior to continue.

in before thunder rage.

[Chuckle]

Ease's death didn't count, making it a 1 point swing, not 2 like you claimed.


each player will be given a maximum of 10 deaths. The substitute will be placed in the game with the amount of lives left for the slot that they substituted.

The reason it didn't count is because the bot didn't work properly. Had nothing to do with an "illegal sub" and that's what mirrorrim said was the basis of the appeal. Although Ease did die so mirrorrim's explanation makes no sense either.

lol look, I can't be any clearer than how crystal clear I am being...
Ardour being able to play even though i killed ease on 9 = +1
Me still getting a death for suciding ease = +1

1 + 1 = 2

[Scoop]

Any way we can file an appeal because the bot "malfunctioned" ...


Take a look a this ops this is ridiculous.

[Burnt]

lol look, I can't be any clearer than how crystal clear I am being...
Ardour being able to play even though i killed ease on 9 = +1
Me still getting a death for suciding ease = +1

Our sub had nothing to do with your death and if we hadn't made the sub you'd still be dead. Your death happened before the sub so your still being dead doesn't give us +1 because of the sub, since it would have happened regardless.

[Capital Knockers]

Ease's death didn't count, making it a 1 point swing, not 2 like you claimed.


each player will be given a maximum of 10 deaths. The substitute will be placed in the game with the amount of lives left for the slot that they substituted.

The reason it didn't count is because the bot didn't work properly. Had nothing to do with an "illegal sub" and that's what mirrorrim said was the basis of the appeal. Although Ease did die so mirrorrim's explanation makes no sense either.

So you're basically saying we're right, but because she's already made a decision we shouldn't change it even though it's obviously wrong? Seems pretty lame to hold back an appeal because it wasn't worded correctly. The bottom line is, everyone knows what happend, you guys are hiding behind symantics. Again, plain and simple, 10 lives per player. There is a delay in place to prevent these sort of subs from happening, meaning they obviously aren't allowed, otherwise there would be no such thing in place. The TWL Ref/Ops should of removed the player immediatly, why should Pirates suffer a loss over this? Why is Thunder being allowed to make a mockery of TWL by bending and abusing everything they can?

This reminds me of that poll with the holiday weekends, where Mirr or whoever made the poll didn't make it with the options to vote for certain single dates on/off or whatever. Only 1, some, all or none. She went back and made a second poll to correct a mistake then - I see no reason why she wouldn't do the same here. The evidence really can't even be argued, it's solid. I think she was pressured to make a quick deicison without all the facts available to her.