Appeal - TWLB Quarterfinals: Mad vs. Penetrate

[the_paul]

Brainwave doesn't want a replay, even though (from what I've heard anyway), we started to pull our shit together towards the end. Your boxing analogy doesn't really make a ton of sense, I can see the general idea behind it, but in the end you are really comparing apples and oranges. In response to your use of an analogy, lets just reiterate that it wasn't exactly a nail biter to 15. You can say you were working on Pene tiring themselves out, but lets be real, does that honestly apply to 2d spaceships? All you're looking at in extending the time to 20 minds, judging how the first 21:38 went, was losing 20:00 - 9 and some change. I understand the frustration, you had a good run, focus on the other leagues.

**** em up pene!

[paradise!]

Mad contends that had we have known it was to only be to 15 minutes we would have played a different lineup initially and gone about it differently.

A separate line for 15 minute games then you do for 20 minute ones. That makes perfect sense. Do some of your players have internet endurance issues that would have prevented them from playing another 5 minutes?

[Vatican Assassin]

I've had my differences with PH, but I must say, this is the way I would like to see appeals handled in the future. He is open to argument, quick to respond, not about to give into bs, and best of all, he doesn't pretend to be a tyrant and close down the thread after making his decision lest someone actually want to contest it further. People who close threads are assholes and make the game less fun.

So here's how it's going down.

Dice-Brainwave took place at 2:00 (well, a bit after 2:00 since I made several failed attempts at getting a 20-minute module loaded). Mad-Penetrate took place at 4:30. This gave both squads in the late game somewhere in the neighborhood of two hours to check the site and realize that the early game was to 15 minutes, so it should follow that the late game would be to 15 as well. ?nopubchat and all of Mad's other excuses aside, a lack of communication between their players is not my or anyone else's problem. Mad was free to PM me at any point in the match, or for that matter at any point after Dice-Brainwave ended, with any concerns they had about the timer, yet I didn't hear a word from them until "Penetrate needs 3 minutes of flag time to win" appeared on the screen. Yes, I did say the playoffs would be to 20 minutes, but this was long before I couldn't get a 20-minute module loaded. As head op, I reserve the right to change things on the fly in order to keep the league running smoothly. After all the setbacks and delays in the last month, I was not going to simply shut down TWLB and force four games of it to be played the next week. The show had to go on.

So while it's true that this all kind of stems from an oversight on my part, let's call it like it really is: Mad wasn't prepared for the match, they didn't have their optimal line available, and they want a mulligan so they can get Mattey to show up. I mean... Confluence in shark? Really? There was no communication between them and myself until their backs were against the wall. If Confluence is your backup shark, that's not my problem.

There will be no replay. Congratulations to Penetrate for advancing to the semifinals. This thread will remain open for flaming purposes. Goodnight, Trench Wars.

[Mattey]

Agreed on all points.

[Nickname]

c'mon, grant the appeal. i need to bench my way to my 3rd twlb title. we're talking record setting bench warming here!

Anybody can bench to a title, it takes someone special to bench to three all-star appearances, son.

[PrOnEsSim]

You didn't see Brainwave complaining about this situation on Sunday, now do you? We weren't really bothered by it, IMO. Let it go, Mad.

[Jeenyuss]

Anybody can bench to a title, it takes someone special to bench to three all-star appearances, son.

we don't have the all-star game anymore, you're a dying breed in my heart.

it took all 50 names on the twd roster to get to the title last year even though there were only 35 that got put up. jase you're an all-star in my heart.

mattey it's too bad you couldn't make the game last week i'm sure it would've made it more interesting. scoop's a punk bitch though and this was greazy. thanks ph for doing a good job, you're the champion in my heart.

royst is also in my heart even though that homo didn't make it last weekend. everybody loves you, raymond. please show up this sunday.

[Stylez]

I think thats a false analogy. I don't think mental or physical endurance, or any other factor that is influenced by time (such as becoming aware/countering of opponents playstyle more than your opponent counters your own) plays enough of a factor in TWLB to change the course of the match over an additional 5 minutes.

Also, this wasn't just a 5 minute lead, it was a 9 minute lead, due to one squad going 11 minutes to 2 in the final 13, clearly indicative of one squad pulling away from the other.

The way to predict the outcome is based on the collection of similar events in the past, which can give you a general idea of the likelihood of the outcome. How often do you think a squad with over 70% of the total minutes (15 out of the 21 played) including 85% of the last 13 minutes got 5 minutes before the other squad got 14 in the history of TWD and TWL? I'd guess 95%, but I have no basis for that number to be honest haha.

Your boxing analogy doesn't really make a ton of sense, I can see the general idea behind it, but in the end you are really comparing apples and oranges. In response to your use of an analogy, lets just reiterate that it wasn't exactly a nail biter to 15. You can say you were working on Pene tiring themselves out, but lets be real, does that honestly apply to 2d spaceships? All you're looking at in extending the time to 20 minds, judging how the first 21:38 went, was losing 20:00 - 9 and some change. I understand the frustration, you had a good run, focus on the other leagues.

**** em up pene!

For one, my analogy wasn't to compare boxing to a TWLB match. It was used to give Black Mage a more elaborate portrayal of how, with most anything, you can't always determine the outcome of certain events based on speculations. Not saying it was a well versed and/or well stated analogy, it was just something I came up with off the top of my head at the moment.

Though, you're (Black Mage) still making your opinion(s) come off as if that's the only way to presume things will or would of happened. Statistics mean nothing, as the_paul stated, in a "2D spaceship" game. Even with a 95% margin, as you'd so graciously predicted, that would still give an 100+ game differential, out of the 1000's of matches that have been played throughout the course of TW's history.

Simply put, I do not care about us winning or losing, what's happened has happened and Penetrate played one hell of a match. What I was wasting my time with was the fact that Mad's appeal was denied due to ridiculous claims. As I just previously stated, what's done is done, so it doesn't really help for me to keep replying to a dead subject.

[Stylez]

Yeah I am sorry you took the more conservative approach to basing instead of the coming out of the corner throwing wild punches approach, because you need to have a lot of endurance to sit on your fücking ass and hit arrow keys and control. If you had known the match was five minutes shorter you would have what, hit the arrow keys quicker and harder at the start of the match and hit control more often to fire your bullets instead of lethargically hitting the keys trying to reserve your energy for the end of the game when the other squads fingers were exhausted from constantly hitting control and arrow keys frantically?

Shut the fück up already. Do you realize how utterly retarded that sounds?

Sorry, but the irony in this made me chuckle... :grin:

[genocidal]

Ez faggots

[Dreamwin]

So, is the 20-minute module set now, or do semis continue with 15-minute games?

[Jeenyuss]

did you homos get the game at 1 or was it us homos

[Vatican Assassin]

was trying to do it on saturday woops

[adam]

Funny stuff