TWL start dates and other important information

[Lizard Fuel]

anyhow, why are twlb squads allowed to have 20 when warbirds or javelins only 15?

Is this a serious question or just a really bad trolling attempt? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and just answer...

LD and LJ only requires 5 people. LB requires 8. In LD and LJ you only need to be good at one ship to play where in LB you need at least 3 different kinds of ships. More people needed = higher roster cap

[Left_Eye]

Let's just call this season off and declare dicE the winners of all 3 leagues!

Have love for my old squad!

a2m+ can whoop anyone's behind in any ship, especially levis!

[KiAN]

LF there is no way that was a serious question by jones. I can't imagine someone who was so influential in my decision to change my vote for roster limits for twl could raise such a ridiculous question..

[Jones]

Actually, since you are asking so nicely, LB is just one league, like LD or LJ. 3 extra players just means that; 3 extra players.

15 for warbird and javelins is already way too high. Better go with something like 10. There is no way you would need more than 7 capable players other than activity purposes. Basing is no different. With a 20 roster cap you get what? 3 set of shark pairs, 3 terriers and 11 spiders, and then you wonder why everyone is stacking? Honestly, roster caps at any of these numbers won't help the zone at all. Limits should be more drastic or 35/none at all.

Your arguement that warbirds only need 5 good ones. I agree with that, but what makes you believe you need more for basing? Get more people involved in different ships. The depth of a squad should be made by it's core, not how many one ship wonders they manage to recruit.

Going back a few years, you probably remember, Elusive and -FINAL- managed to do all 3 leagues with around 17 people, I'm certain there were others too.

Either way, a roster cap won't do much but piss people off. The one and only problem will be that people rather just play one ship, one league, one game every sunday.

[Rasaq]

Roster Limits
Squads that qualify for only TWL-D or TWL-J will have a roster limit of 15.
Squads that qualify for only TWL-B will have a roster limit of 20.
Squads that qualify for 2 leagues will have a roster limit of 25.
Squads that qualify for 3 leagues will have a roster limit of 30.

How about...

Squads that qualify for TWL-B and TWL-D or TWL-J will have a roster limit of 25.
Squads that qualify for TWL-D and TWL-J will have a roster limit of 20.

Do you really need the extra 10 roster spots just because a squad qualified for LJ along with LD? Not every player in this game is a 1 leaguer and having a roster of 20 isn't so bad for 2 leagues...10 wbs/10 javs with the exception of some of those on roster being 2 leaguers isn't so bad. Also, 20 seems a lot to me for a basing squad. As I said before, Penetrate has managed to play majority of the season with the same 8-12 players in BDs and maintained it's activity and competition.

If the number of qualifiers is 10/10/8 you have 340 players competing in this years TWL.

Fierce = 20 - LD/LJ
Dice = 30 - ALL
Paladen = 15 - LD
Sweet = 30 - ALL (They need 7 more games in BD and have them over Hit)
Asians = 15 - LD
Hit = 20 - LD/LJ
Penetrate = 30 - ALL
Epidemic = 15 - LD
Thunder = 20 - LD/LJ
Pandora = 25 - LD/LB
Dark = 15 - LJ
Sage = 25 - LJ/LB
Boz = 15 - LJ
Disoblige = 25 - LJ/LB (Highly doubt Paladen will make LJ so I put Diso in over them)
Spastic = 20 - LB
Anti-Scrub = 20 - LB

In TWDT you have your forfeited games because of no-shows and people going on vacation, school or not logging on because they figure they won't get added, but you also have week after week of every team showing enough. Even with smaller rosters for TWL you're looking at 140 more people than what TWDT had which is still a large amount. This number could probably exceed 500 if there was a TWD roster limit and some new rules made to make the league more competitive, could probably look at about 16 teams competing in TWL if that was ever the case.

Even with the threat of people not participating in this league for w/e reason they may have and if people decide to not play because of rosters being limited you have 5-8 squads that are active in TWD you can recruit from and get players who are willing to play on a TWL squad and gain experience with.

[Hulk]

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO COUNT PENETRATE AS 3 LEAGUE AND THUNDER AS 2

god this guy so fkin dumb

[Money]

sup left_eye? didnt you rape that 14 yr old aeroplane jelly irl...... of course after u told him u were a girl and found out u were a guy.

[Crescent Seal]

Limits should be more drastic or 35/none at all.

+1

[KiAN]

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO COUNT PENETRATE AS 3 LEAGUE AND THUNDER AS 2

god this guy so fkin dumb

LOL true

Also, would like to say is there some way that TWl rosters have to made me before it begins? I know thats pretty unrealistic and all but my only concern is with having roster caps, the people who are not therefore allowed to play TWL because their squad has reached their respective roster caps, will be bumped out of playing. I guess my suggestion, for what its worth, would be to set a roster cap. Push twl back a few weeks, and allow for the players who don't make it on their team rosters to make squads and increase the number of teams being allowed to participate. I think if you want to keep people around to play the only thing people arguably care about this game for then you have to allow them to join in. Ignoring inactive people, Thunder has 50 man roster. If we 3 league for a max of 35 people on roster, thats 15 people getting bumped which is almost 1/3 of roster. I guess there has to be some way to allow them to compete rather than getting screwed because of last minute roster caps that different from squad to squad.

Either:
1) Make roster caps, push twl back few weeks, allow others to make squads and compete for a spot (with maybe more squads allowed to participate) or,
2) wait for such harsh roster limits until next season because you risk getting people pissed who dont play because of roster caps and their inability to make a squad in sufficient time. Cant afford to lose more people because this is the only real thing people "care" about.

Theres my two cents.

[Dour]

It makes more sense to have a roster limit of 20 rather than 15 for twld or twlj and 25 if u

make both leagues. Yes u only need to have 5 people log on but u need at least someone

to be able to sub if needed. Some people got life's...........

[pascone]

Having different roster limits for different leagues gives a huge advantage to multi league squads. If you can't see that, then you're not really thinking about it.

Take dice for example. They're all 3 leagues, which gives them a roster of 30. megaman89 will likely play in all 3 leagues. a2m will possibly play in all 3 as well. Stayon, paska, cape, are a few more that will play 2+ leagues.

The point here is that they get another 15 roster spots when they have the same people playing in all 3 leagues anyway. This doesn't make sense to me.

[Lizard Fuel]

would like to say is there some way that TWl rosters have to made me before it begins?

what????

Addressing the rest of your post, TWL roster cap for a 3 league squad (Such as Penetrate and NOT Thunder it seems) is 30, not 35. What that means is that if you have a 50 man roster, a very large chunk of them are getting cut or simply left off the TWL rosters. Most of these cuts should be fairly obvious even to people that are not on the squad, so if you think that there is any chance that you are one of them but you want to play TWL, I would advise leaving ASAP and creating another squad so you can get your 30 games in. Since it seems like we are going with the 10/10/10 thing, it shouldn't take much more than just the minimum game requirement to qualify, as I think its unrealistic to push back TWL to accommodate those who get cut

[Ardour]

I totally agree with LF.
The smaller the roster the more people need to decide whether they are going to take part in TWL in advance.

Because players that suddenly get told they aren't making the twl roster, this is their own problem for being part of a stacked squad/squad that doesnt appreciate them. Man up and sort your game out.
Allow sum forsite?
Twl is srs business.

[KiAN]

I understand what ou guys are saying, clearly but I guess I'm more or leas acknowledging the fact that because of roster limits there will be less people participating, or able to, compared to other years and i guess that is what I am concerned with since twl is the most important league the zone has.

[Rasaq]

Why will there be less people participating?